FW: Information onrespectful commuication
Dear all As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the suggestions in the documents he has sent, so we can all work productively. Jacqueline From: frank.fowlie [mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51 To: jacqueline Morris Subject: wellington comment from page 6 on and HYPERLINK "http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf"http://www.ican n.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf Frank Fowlie, MACAM Ombudsman The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292 tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649 HYPERLINK "http://www.icannombudsman.org/"www.icannombudsman.org The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02
Dear Jacqueline, The attached mentions threats and insults. I haven't seen any of that. If people cannot disagee with what is happening for fear of getting the Ombudsman involved then this isn't much of a process. I, frankly, would encourage Ombudsman involvement to decide what is threatening/disrespecful and what is simple criticism over what is happening. Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 7:01 PM To: 'At-Large' Subject: [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful commuication Dear all As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the suggestions in the documents he has sent, so we can all work productively. Jacqueline From: frank.fowlie [mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51 To: jacqueline Morris Subject: wellington comment from page 6 on and http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf Frank Fowlie, MACAM Ombudsman The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292 tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649 www.icannombudsman.org <http://www.icannombudsman.org/> The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02
Thompson, Darlene ha scritto:
The attached mentions threats and insults. I haven't seen any of that. If people cannot disagee with what is happening for fear of getting the Ombudsman involved then this isn't much of a process. I, frankly, would encourage Ombudsman involvement to decide what is threatening/disrespecful and what is simple criticism over what is happening.
Just a side note without entering into the substance of the discussion: the difference above is deeply cultural and hard to determine. We get into it everywhere over the Internet - see for example the discussion on new gTLDs going on right now, where some people want to be able to create .whatever-blasphemy or .nazi because they see it as reasonable criticism which is protected under their free expression rights, while others see that as offensive, disrespectful, hurting or even criminal. There's no solution to that, except that when getting in touch with different cultures people might want to self-limit themselves as a principle of respect and good manners, though of course there are people who consider respect and good manners as a form of censorship. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Jacqueline: Huh ! Either don't understand your email, or am so surprised that as outgoing chair you would take such an action. To be hones, after a productive and team building day yesterday - you take this bombshell and drop this on us. i'm frankly shocked ... I am assuming correctly that differences of opinion are such that you - in your own personal capacity - are asking the ombudsman to pass a judgement on individuals in at-large that are exercising their freedom of speech? An action such as a referral should be done in consultation with the ALAC, and not done on your whim. Please seek the support of your peers, to take such drastic steps. Might I suggest that - instead - you seek the input of the alac, and see if indeed we concur with your course of action. If obtain support, fine. If not, then no course of action - should be obtain. In summary - I think I speak for many of those on the ALAC in saying, please seeking clarify your proposed actions. Personally, I think they are most inappropriate. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 29-Oct-07, at 4:01 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the suggestions in the documents he has sent, so we can all work productively. Jacqueline
From: frank.fowlie [mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51 To: jacqueline Morris Subject:
wellington comment from page 6 on
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http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf
Frank Fowlie, MACAM Ombudsman
The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292
tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649
www.icannombudsman.org
The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence.
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As a previous target of such muzzling attempts, I've been staying out of this "debate" in the hope that work that is far more important does not get sidetracked. Robert has expressed my views well. Anyone considering something so drastic as summoning the Ombudsman on this matter would be well advised to be careful what they wish for; aggression and intimidation against free expression is certainly worse than any "abuse" I've yet seen in this forum. Please focus on substance. - Evan
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Evan Leibovitch -
Jacqueline A. Morris -
Robert Guerra -
Thompson, Darlene -
Vittorio Bertola