Hi Niels hi all Entering the conversation too late probably - was travelling :) Great idea, Michele! It does look better now. I like discussions much more than praising chorus. And we will have to address all the opponents' arguments anyway so better to be ready to face them. Cheers Tanya On 29 Sep 2015 19:08, "Niels ten Oever" <niels@article19.org> wrote:
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OK, so will be exchanging Olivier with James Bladel. Does this look better to you all?
Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session v2 ======================================
Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes
Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes
Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes
Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes
Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes
Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)
Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)
Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)
Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)
Comments by James Bladel (RrSG)
Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)
Q&A
Summary (Marilia)
Best,
Niels
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On 09/29/2015 06:56 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri
Exactly
There’s little to be gained by having a bunch of people who all agree with each other.
Regards
Michele
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On 29/09/2015 17:53, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those who have issues with it.
Maybe ask James Bladel. He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.
avri
On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri
Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.
I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this
M
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On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw.
But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the panel. Like you, Michele.
I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can argue from the floor.
avri
On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri
As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.
But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..
So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
Regards
Michele
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On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
> Hi, > > Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who > did not support a HR bylaw. > > We all have questions about how a commitment is > implemented, but i think there is a divison between those > who belive in the committment first and working it out as > we go. > > And those who want to know exactly what the future holds > before making a committment to HR. > > So I differentiate between > > "I support hr, but ..." > > and > > "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are > going to implement this" > > > avri
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