good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights? avri On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele

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Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session ===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

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Hi, I include "I support hr, but ..." in the category of not supporting HR. avri On 29-Sep-15 07:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

Nobody is going to say they don’t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled …

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights?

avri

On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele

...

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Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session ===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

...

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Hi, Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw. We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go. And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR. So I differentiate between "I support hr, but ..." and "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this" avri On 29-Sep-15 08:15, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

If that’s your “definition” you’re going to catch a lot of people in the bucket ..

Including me

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 13:08, "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

I include

"I support hr, but ..."

in the category of not supporting HR.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 07:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

Nobody is going to say they don’t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled …

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights?

avri

On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele

...

-- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > > > On 29/09/2015 00:16, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Niels ten Oever" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of niels@article19.org> wrote: > Hello everyone,

Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session ===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

...

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested in asking critical questions? Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

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Hi all There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical. They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions. A. On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:

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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever Head of Digital

Article 19 www.article19.org

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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,

...

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

avri

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ah ok, must have skipped that when catching up. That would be good. A. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:

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Hi Alex,

That was James Bladel, who we have now suggested on the agenda :)

Cheers,

Niels

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Article 19 www.article19.org

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On 09/29/2015 09:19 PM, Alexandra Kulikova wrote:

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Hi all

There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical. They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions.

A.

On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:

Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

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Article 19 www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org>

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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:

Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

avri

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Hi all Thanks for sharing the agenda Niels I wonder if it would be useful to have a discussion about what participants think the current commitment to human rights in the NTIA agreement means ... Perhaps also reverse the order of the agenda to start with questions and end with presentations that might help answer questions? Joy -----Original Message----- From: cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2015 5:28 a.m. To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; cc-humanrights@icann.org Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session Hi, I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw. But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the panel. Like you, Michele. I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can argue from the floor. avri On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

avri

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Hi, The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those who have issues with it. Maybe ask James Bladel. He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting. avri On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Avri

Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.

I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this

M

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On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw.

But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the panel. Like you, Michele.

I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can argue from the floor.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

avri

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Avri

Exactly

There’s little to be gained by having a bunch of people who all agree with each other.

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 17:53, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those who have issues with it.

Maybe ask James Bladel. He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.

I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this

M

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On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw.

But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the panel. Like you, Michele.

I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can argue from the floor.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"

avri

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Changed Avri to NCSG (from GNSO). Any other suggestions? Are we missing important groups? Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session v3 ====================================== Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4) Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC) Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC) Comments by Avri Doria (NCSG) Comments by James Bladel (RrSG) Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board) Q&A Summary (Marilia) ================= Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/29/2015 07:17 PM, Tatiana Tropina wrote:

Hi Niels hi all Entering the conversation too late probably - was travelling :) Great idea, Michele! It does look better now. I like discussions much more than praising chorus. And we will have to address all the opponents' arguments anyway so better to be ready to face them. Cheers Tanya

On 29 Sep 2015 19:08, "Niels ten Oever" <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote:

OK, so will be exchanging Olivier with James Bladel. Does this look better to you all?

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session v2 ======================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by James Bladel (RrSG)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever Head of Digital

Article 19 www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org>

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On 09/29/2015 06:56 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

...

Exactly

...

There’s little to be gained by having a bunch of people who all agree with each other.

...

Regards

...

Michele

...

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On 29/09/2015 17:53, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:

...

...

Hi,

The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those who have issues with it.

Maybe ask James Bladel. He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.

I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this

M

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On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:

...

Hi,

I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw.

But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the panel. Like you, Michele.

I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can argue from the floor.

avri

On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Avri

As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.

But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 <tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:

> Hi, > > Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who > did not support a HR bylaw. > > We all have questions about how a commitment is > implemented, but i think there is a divison between > those who belive in the committment first and working > it out as we go. > > And those who want to know exactly what the future > holds before making a committment to HR. > > So I differentiate between > > "I support hr, but ..." > > and > > "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we > are going to implement this" > > > avri

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On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece. SP

...

On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Avri

Nobody is going to say they don’t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled …

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:

good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights?

avri

...

On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele

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Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session ===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rafik, Thanks! This looks really good to me, and then I will invite all the aforementioned people to respond. Cheers, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/30/2015 02:11 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:

Hi everyone,

can we may set back a little here and check the proposed agenda.

my understanding is the session will give an opportunity to present updates: what was done within the CCWP with the ,under ongoing consultation, HRIA document and also 2 possibles deliverables aimed for mapping and indicate where it is possible to intervene. Those kind of material will help for more awareness and education within the community, in addition all the reports published lately by Article19.

On other hand, with regard to CCWG we are going to get updates from WP4. this doesn't mean that we are going to make decision about what is happening in WP4. as CCWP we can give input and participate in that discussion within the CCWG. About the HR commitment in bylaw, I don't want to see that as for and against, we are not setting a oxford style debate here and we are not going to achieve so much like that. We have also the CCWP working session where we can plan on how to interact and liaise with WP4 if needed.

about adding names, I would think we should avoid long list of speaking heads which leaves little space for real discussion and interaction, with more entrenched point of views. so maybe we can have the updates first and the open the floor for discussion. We would invite "pros" and "cons" instead to join as discussants so we can make the Q&A phase quite interactive. I acknowledge that is not necessarily optimal neither thrilling for the invitees but at least we can aim to have a structured discussion leading to some useful output.

what about this shorten version:

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Q&A: first questions by invited discussants

Best,

Rafik

2015-09-30 3:43 GMT+09:00 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>:

Implementation cannot be in a vacuum Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..

Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://www.blacknight.irish Sent from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!

...

On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece. SP

...

On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Avri

Nobody is going to say they don’t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled …

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:

good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights?

avri

...

On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards

...

Michele

...

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On 29/09/2015 00:16, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Niels ten Oever" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote: >

...

Hello everyone,

Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.

Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session ===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)

...

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