-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Stephanie and Susan, More concrete pointers as to how you think this should be done are also very welcome in the document. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mYpZcg-4pWRB-sKMvUNPlWU-R7oiIGIHnjY fv0JxPo/edit I think there are some very practical pointers in there. Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/29/2015 10:38 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
I agree, and the sooner the conversation starts, the better will be the policy from which it hangs. It might be useful to invite one of the Board members who does not "get it" wrt why we are looking for human rights in the Bylaws. It will help us communicate better if we understand our failures. Stephanie Perrin
On 2015-09-29 15:22, susan aaronson wrote:
I made exactly that point in my comments on the document. You need to illuminate the "How" to IcANN and someone on the board has to take responsibility for the staff that will be held accountable for implementing human rights.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 +0000 From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> Cc: "cc-humanrights@icann.org" <cc-humanrights@icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session Message-ID: <6E5C1185-6F94-4138-94C2-62C41F1F868F@blacknight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Implementation cannot be in a vacuum Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..
Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://www.blacknight.irish Sent from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!
On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece. SP
On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Avri
Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :)
What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled ?
Regards
Michele
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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human rights?
avri
> On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial > to have someone who wasn?t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the ?human rights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele >> -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > > > On 29/09/2015 00:16, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Niels ten Oever" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of niels@article19.org> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Please find underneath my proposal for the draft > agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and > criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to > comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite > high. Looking forward to hear what you think. > > Best, > > Niels > > PS I did not confirm anyone yet. > > > Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session > =================================== > > Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes > > Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law > (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes > > Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - > 5 minutes > > Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes > > Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact > assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes > > Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4) > > Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC) > > Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC) > > Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO) > > Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC) > > Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board) > > Q&A > > Summary (Marilia) > > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> cc-humanrights mailing list >> >> cc-humanrights@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > _______________________________________________ > cc-humanrights mailing list > cc-humanrights@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> To: <cc-humanrights@icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session Message-ID: <560AD857.7090501@mail.utoronto.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed
Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote: Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested in asking critical questions?
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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri
As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.
But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..
So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
Regards
Michele
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On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
> Hi, > > Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who > did not support a HR bylaw. > > We all have questions about how a commitment is > implemented, but i think there is a divison between > those who belive in the committment first and working > it out as we go. > > And those who want to know exactly what the future > holds before making a committment to HR. > > So I differentiate between > > "I support hr, but ..." > > and > > "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are > going to implement this" > > > avri _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights mailing list cc-humanrights@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights
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Hi all
There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical. They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions.
A. On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested in asking critical questions?
Best,
Niels
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri
As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.
But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space..
So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi, > Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who > did not support a HR bylaw. > > We all have questions about how a commitment is > implemented, but i think there is a divison between > those who belive in the committment first and working > it out as we go. > > And those who want to know exactly what the future > holds before making a committment to HR. > > So I differentiate between > > "I support hr, but ..." > > and > > "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are > going to implement this" > > > avri > _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights mailing list cc-humanrights@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights
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