In all honesty Alejandra, based on my experience, you will most likely either not hear back or get a reply along the lines of “do what you want to do.” The Board is fiddling around with Bylaws that are directly related to PTI/IANA. IANA is the core. It “IS” the keeper of the Internet. Full-stop. Not just the root zone, but AS numbers and hundreds of other registries, all of which need to be in place to keep the show running. ICANN Org is just icing on the cake. It could go away tomorrow and it’s absence would barely be noticed from an engineering standpoint. The global community would find a “home” for the IANA. It may well be the ITU, which would not be (in my view at least) a desirable outcome, but it would endure. It has to. I submit that the Community has an obligation to make the Board account for the changes they are proposing between the relationship between ICANN Org. and PTI/IANA, as benign as they seem to be. And the way to do that is via a Community Forum at ICANN78 in Hamburg. Best Regards, Stephen PS: Based on my experience, an Approval Action Community Forum is relatively easy to run/manage. As I recall, I came prepared with a few questions for Chris (who was on the Board at the time), and then turned things over to the Community participants who were present. There was nothing controversial about what the proposal was (I cannot even remember its details now, and I don’t have the energy to look it up); you have the same situation here. No fireworks. It’s the procedure around it all that matters. From: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> Date: Monday, September 25, 2023 at 09:55 To: Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital> Cc: "Stephen Deerhake @ ASNIC" <sdeerhake@nic.as>, "ccnso-council@icann.org" <ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] [EXTERNAL] - Level of support Council for Empowered Community - Community Forum Hi Chris I did send an email to the rest of the ECA members, but haven't heard back yet. Best, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 2:58 PM Chris Disspain via Ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> wrote: Fine with me. Stephen, have you discussed this with your fellow ECA members? Cheers, Chris On 25 Sep 2023, at 13:21, Pablo Rodriguez via Ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all: I support Stephen’s proposal. Regards, Pablo On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 7:10 AM Stephen Deerhake @ ASNIC via Ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> wrote: Irina, The public forum can be scheduled outside of the regular schedule –an hour before the daily schedule formally starts. That’s what I did. I fought the battle to get the inaugural Approval Community Forum as part of the regular schedule time wise, but lost that battle. In retrospect, I think that was a good thing as it put ICANN Org in a position going forward of NOT being able to claim “Oh, so sorry, there is no room on the schedule for the Community Forum”, as they found a way to do it “out of band” then, and they thus can find a way to do it “out of band” going forward. Best, Stephen From: Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Irina Danelia via Ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> Reply-To: Irina Danelia <i.danelia@cctld.ru<mailto:i.danelia@cctld.ru>> Date: Monday, September 25, 2023 at 07:00 To: 'Alejandra Reynoso Barral' <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>>, "ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>" <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] [EXTERNAL] - Level of support Council for Empowered Community - Community Forum Dear Alejandra, all I do not have clear preferences. I understand Stephen’s view and do not object of having an Approval Action Community Forum take place at the “next available” ICANN meeting From the other side the agenda seems to be quite packed already. Best, Irina BTW – I haven’t seen the announcement to ccTLD community on the Approval Action required in the list – did I miss it? From: Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Alejandra Reynoso Barral via Ccnso-council Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 1:36 PM To: Jordan Carter <jordan.carter@auda.org.au<mailto:jordan.carter@auda.org.au>> Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] [EXTERNAL] - Level of support Council for Empowered Community - Community Forum Thank you Jordan. Please everyone share your views either way today, so I can follow up with the ECA. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 2:39 AM Jordan Carter via Ccnso-council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> wrote: Hi all I have neutral feelings about this – no firm view in either direction. It does seem like such changes do deserve the requisite scrutiny so if we have a view in favour I will happily support that. Cheers Jordan From: Ccnso-council <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Bart Boswinkel via Ccnso-council Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 6:41 PM To: ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [ccnso-council] Level of support Council for Empowered Community - Community Forum Dear all, Per yesterday’s meeting, you are requested to share your views whether or not the Empowered Community Administration (ECA) should request a community forum, and if so, to request a virtual forum or one during ICANN78. Closing date is Monday 25 September 23.59 UTC. This would allow Alejandra to consult and speak with her fellow ECA members, taking into account your views. Stephen’s view On yesterday’s call I shared with you Stephen’s views as he was traveling. I will use this opportunity to share his view again. As background, please note that Stephen is currently the approval action process manager and was the ccNSO rep on the ECA. “ As you have probably gathered, I am a big advocate of having an Approval Action Community Forum take place at the “next available” ICANN meeting should the Board take an action that requires Empowered Community approval. If for no other reason, it’s a community-wide show of respect for the Multi-stakeholder model, the Bylaws, and what we achieved as a Community in successfully executing the Transition from the USG. All need to be taken seriously and shown due respect or else erosion will begin to occurr. On behalf of the ECA, I managed the first ever Approval Action Community Forum where Chris came and led the dance with the Community on behalf of the Board. It was completely non-controversial, as I suspect these changes are as well, although I do confess, I have not studied them in depth. Although held “out of band” early in the morning, that first forum had really solid attendance, which was heartening.” Background / Timelines (see Annex D, section 1.3 c ( https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#annexD ) Under the ICANN Bylaws, delivery of the Secretary’s Notices on 15 September: (1) requires Decisional Participants to “promptly inform their constituents” of the delivery of such notices; and (2) triggers an Approval Action Community Forum Period, to convene a Community Forum, which ends on the 30th day after the Approval Action Board Notification Date (15 October 2023) . If the community (read ECA) intends to convene virtual Forum it needs to be convened and concluded during the period beginning upon the Approval Action Board Notification Date (15 September 2023) and ending on 15 October 2023. If the ECA intends to convene an in-person session, it has to be convened during ICANN78 EIther way, if the ECA intends to convene a Community Forum, support staff reuested to be informed by Wednesday 27 September 2023. Kind regards, Bart _______________________________________________ Ccnso-council mailing list Ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:Ccnso-council@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccnso-council _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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