I know I sound like a broken record on this topic, but this is an aspect of what I mean when I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty. There is, of course, a spectrum, but we should definitely prefer to hold meetings in places like Canada and Germany than in North Korea. At heart, ICANN is just a California private sector company. And it must ensure the safety and well-being of all its participants equally, and in particular to ensure respect of what we in the UK called 'protected characteristics' But the Board will have some excuse. They always do. And the community will, in all probability, ultimately tolerate it, like we did with the visas. On 08/10/16 02:58, Debbie Monahan wrote:

Hi all

Following on from Peter’s topic on location for ICANN meetings, I would like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc. Are things like this not considered when selecting a meeting place.

Thanks Debbie

...

On 8/10/2016, at 04:59, Peter Vergote <peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be>> wrote:

Hi all,

A couple of points that may be relevant:

- What’s next on protection on country en territory names now that CCWG is preparing their final report and will come to conclusion that it is not feasible to come up with an overall approach? Is the Board inclined to keep the status quo from the applicant guidebook or will it yield tot he wishes of the GNSO? - Location for ICANN meetings: given all the trouble with visa for ICANN57, how will the Board address this to avoid this in future?

Best regs,

Peter

*Peter Vergote* *Legal & Corp. Affairs Manager* +32 16 29 89 28 +32 474 790096

*www.dnsbelgium.be* <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/>

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*Van: *<owner-ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org>> namens Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> *Datum: *vrijdag 7 oktober 2016 10:51 *Aan: *ccNSO Council <ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> *Onderwerp: *[ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day)

Dear Colleagues,

The ICANN Board asks us what questions we’d like to discuss during our meeting in Hyderabad. Please feel free to suggest hot topics by 24 October!

Thank you!

Kind regards,

]{atrina

*From: *Vinciane Koenigsfeld <vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org>> *Date: *Friday 7 October 2016 11:45 *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> *Cc: *Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk <mailto:chris@disspain.uk>>, "Board-Ops-Team@icann.org <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org>" <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> *Subject: *ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day)

Dear Katrina,

We are looking forward to seeing you in Hyderabad!

As you know, over the years, the Board has heard from many Groups on the need to make the Constituency Day interaction between the Board and Constituency/Stakeholder Groups at ICANN Public Meetings more effective for both the Groups and the Board.

To do this, Board Operations collects, ahead of the Meeting, the questions that each Group would like to bring to the Board.

We would appreciate receiving the questions/topics that ccNSO might want to discuss with the Board during the meeting currently scheduled on Monday 7 November. The deadline for submission of these topics is *_Wednesday 26 October_*.

We are as well taking this opportunity to share with you the Board's questions to your Group, for discussion during this meeting .

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE ccNSO :

1. What do we (Board and ICANN organization) have to do to make the transition work for you? 2. What do we (Board, ICANN organization and community) need to do to advance trust and confidence in what we do?

Best,

The Board Ops team

The human rights ICANN should take into account at a minimum when planning a meeting are those that attendants need to attend a meeting. Freedom of speech and lack of any sort of discrimination are simply essential and therefore non-negotiable in my view. I am sure I am missing others, but a simple list with binary checks seems a good idea. Peter VR ________________________________ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org <owner-ccnso-council@icann.org> on behalf of Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 11:43:11 AM To: Nigel Roberts; Debbie Monahan Cc: ccNSO Council Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day) Hi Debbie, Nigel, Debbie, I would like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc. This is a topic that absolutely should be raised. I know that the meetings team and the board would welcome debate and guidance. Nigel, I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty. OK...so whose culture of human rights should we embrace? Where do we draw the line on what is acceptable and what not? Is Ireland OK notwithstanding its abortion laws? Are certain states of the US off limits because they have the death penalty? But the Board will have some excuse. They always do. I hope you don't view my questions as an excuse. They are not intended to be. Equally I know that this level of debate on the issue will be taking place in the human rights WS2 group and I look forward to being a part of that. Cheers, Chris On 8 Oct 2016, at 10:02, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net<mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote: I know I sound like a broken record on this topic, but this is an aspect of what I mean when I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty. There is, of course, a spectrum, but we should definitely prefer to hold meetings in places like Canada and Germany than in North Korea. At heart, ICANN is just a California private sector company. And it must ensure the safety and well-being of all its participants equally, and in particular to ensure respect of what we in the UK called 'protected characteristics' But the Board will have some excuse. They always do. And the community will, in all probability, ultimately tolerate it, like we did with the visas. On 08/10/16 02:58, Debbie Monahan wrote: Hi all Following on from Peter's topic on location for ICANN meetings, I would like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc. Are things like this not considered when selecting a meeting place. Thanks Debbie On 8/10/2016, at 04:59, Peter Vergote <peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be<mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be> <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be>> wrote: Hi all, A couple of points that may be relevant: - What's next on protection on country en territory names now that CCWG is preparing their final report and will come to conclusion that it is not feasible to come up with an overall approach? Is the Board inclined to keep the status quo from the applicant guidebook or will it yield tot he wishes of the GNSO? - Location for ICANN meetings: given all the trouble with visa for ICANN57, how will the Board address this to avoid this in future? Best regs, Peter *Peter Vergote* *Legal & Corp. Affairs Manager* +32 16 29 89 28 +32 474 790096 *www.dnsbelgium.be<http://www.dnsbelgium.be>* <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/> <image001.png> *Van: *<owner-ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org> <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org>> namens Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv<mailto:katrina@nic.lv> <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> *Datum: *vrijdag 7 oktober 2016 10:51 *Aan: *ccNSO Council <ccnso-council@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org> <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> *Onderwerp: *[ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day) Dear Colleagues, The ICANN Board asks us what questions we'd like to discuss during our meeting in Hyderabad. Please feel free to suggest hot topics by 24 October! Thank you! Kind regards, ]{atrina *From: *Vinciane Koenigsfeld <vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org<mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org> <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org>> *Date: *Friday 7 October 2016 11:45 *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv<mailto:katrina@nic.lv> <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> *Cc: *Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk<mailto:chris@disspain.uk> <mailto:chris@disspain.uk>>, "Board-Ops-Team@icann.org<mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org> <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org>" <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org> <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> *Subject: *ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day) Dear Katrina, We are looking forward to seeing you in Hyderabad! As you know, over the years, the Board has heard from many Groups on the need to make the Constituency Day interaction between the Board and Constituency/Stakeholder Groups at ICANN Public Meetings more effective for both the Groups and the Board. To do this, Board Operations collects, ahead of the Meeting, the questions that each Group would like to bring to the Board. We would appreciate receiving the questions/topics that ccNSO might want to discuss with the Board during the meeting currently scheduled on Monday 7 November. The deadline for submission of these topics is *_Wednesday 26 October_*. We are as well taking this opportunity to share with you the Board's questions to your Group, for discussion during this meeting . QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE ccNSO : 1. What do we (Board and ICANN organization) have to do to make the transition work for you? 2. What do we (Board, ICANN organization and community) need to do to advance trust and confidence in what we do? Best, The Board Ops team

In essence, I agree. My point is where do you draw the line?

lack of any sort of discrimination are simply essential and therefore non-negotiable in my view.

So countries where homosexuality is illegal would be ruled out for ICANN meetings? Cheers, Chris

On 8 Oct 2016, at 19:01, Peter Van Roste <peter@centr.org> wrote:

The human rights ICANN should take into account at a minimum when planning a meeting are those that attendants need to attend a meeting. Freedom of speech and lack of any sort of discrimination are simply essential and therefore non-negotiable in my view. I am sure I am missing others, but a simple list with binary checks seems a good idea.

Peter VR From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org <owner-ccnso-council@icann.org> on behalf of Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 11:43:11 AM To: Nigel Roberts; Debbie Monahan Cc: ccNSO Council Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day)

Hi Debbie, Nigel,

Debbie,

...

...

I would like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc.

This is a topic that absolutely should be raised. I know that the meetings team and the board would welcome debate and guidance.

Nigel,

...

I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty.

OK…so whose culture of human rights should we embrace? Where do we draw the line on what is acceptable and what not? Is Ireland OK notwithstanding its abortion laws? Are certain states of the US off limits because they have the death penalty?

...

But the Board will have some excuse. They always do.

I hope you don’t view my questions as an excuse. They are not intended to be. Equally I know that this level of debate on the issue will be taking place in the human rights WS2 group and I look forward to being a part of that.

Cheers,

Chris

...

On 8 Oct 2016, at 10:02, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:

I know I sound like a broken record on this topic, but this is an aspect of what I mean when I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty.

There is, of course, a spectrum, but we should definitely prefer to hold meetings in places like Canada and Germany than in North Korea.

At heart, ICANN is just a California private sector company. And it must ensure the safety and well-being of all its participants equally, and in particular to ensure respect of what we in the UK called 'protected characteristics'

But the Board will have some excuse. They always do.

And the community will, in all probability, ultimately tolerate it, like we did with the visas.

On 08/10/16 02:58, Debbie Monahan wrote:

...

Hi all

Following on from Peter’s topic on location for ICANN meetings, I would like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc. Are things like this not considered when selecting a meeting place.

Thanks Debbie

...

On 8/10/2016, at 04:59, Peter Vergote <peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be> <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be>>> wrote:

Hi all,

A couple of points that may be relevant:

- What’s next on protection on country en territory names now that CCWG is preparing their final report and will come to conclusion that it is not feasible to come up with an overall approach? Is the Board inclined to keep the status quo from the applicant guidebook or will it yield tot he wishes of the GNSO? - Location for ICANN meetings: given all the trouble with visa for ICANN57, how will the Board address this to avoid this in future?

Best regs,

Peter

*Peter Vergote* *Legal & Corp. Affairs Manager* +32 16 29 89 28 +32 474 790096

*www.dnsbelgium.be <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/>* <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/ <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/>>

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*Van: *<owner-ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org> <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org>>> namens Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv> <mailto:katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>>> *Datum: *vrijdag 7 oktober 2016 10:51 *Aan: *ccNSO Council <ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org> <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>>> *Onderwerp: *[ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day)

Dear Colleagues,

The ICANN Board asks us what questions we’d like to discuss during our meeting in Hyderabad. Please feel free to suggest hot topics by 24 October!

Thank you!

Kind regards,

]{atrina

*From: *Vinciane Koenigsfeld <vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org> <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org>>> *Date: *Friday 7 October 2016 11:45 *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv> <mailto:katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>>> *Cc: *Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk <mailto:chris@disspain.uk> <mailto:chris@disspain.uk <mailto:chris@disspain.uk>>>, "Board-Ops-Team@icann.org <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org> <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org>>" <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org> <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>>> *Subject: *ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day)

Dear Katrina,

We are looking forward to seeing you in Hyderabad!

As you know, over the years, the Board has heard from many Groups on the need to make the Constituency Day interaction between the Board and Constituency/Stakeholder Groups at ICANN Public Meetings more effective for both the Groups and the Board.

To do this, Board Operations collects, ahead of the Meeting, the questions that each Group would like to bring to the Board.

We would appreciate receiving the questions/topics that ccNSO might want to discuss with the Board during the meeting currently scheduled on Monday 7 November. The deadline for submission of these topics is *_Wednesday 26 October_*.

We are as well taking this opportunity to share with you the Board's questions to your Group, for discussion during this meeting .

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE ccNSO :

1. What do we (Board and ICANN organization) have to do to make the transition work for you? 2. What do we (Board, ICANN organization and community) need to do to advance trust and confidence in what we do?

Best,

The Board Ops team

My goodness, something the UK does right! I can hardly beleive it!! Not only can we have two passports (well, not everone, you do need some excuse like "the Indian Visa Process is awful") but when you do apply for renewal of a passport and the old one is cancelled (like in Belgium), any unused validity is added on to the new one (i.e. it gets renewed for 10 years plus five months). Hey, with the recent screwups, we have to take comfort where we can!! On 09/10/16 00:14, Peter Vergote wrote:

If I can just add a quick note in that perspective. Not all of us are accepting the visa troubles linked with ICANN57.

Our GM wanted to attend this ICANN meeting but immediately changed his mind once he got aware of all the admin stuff (especially avoiding more brutal language here) involved.

For myself, at this point it is still very unsure whether I will attend. My passport is valid till end of February next year. It might that my visa application gets refused because it has not a full 6 months validity at the moment of entering the country. I’m absolutely not going to throw away my passport and file for a new one (Belgians can only have 1 travel passport, so if you apply for a new one, the old one needs to be nullified) to attend a meeting of 1 week that is scheduled to take place 4 months before my passport expires.

Peter Vergote Legal & Corp. Affairs Manager +32 16 29 89 28 +32 474 790096 www.dnsbelgium.be <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/>

Op 8/10/16 11:02 heeft owner-ccnso-council@icann.org namens Nigel Roberts <owner-ccnso-council@icann.org namens nigel@channelisles.net> geschreven:

I know I sound like a broken record on this topic, but this is an aspect of what I mean when I say that ICANN needs to embrace a culture of human rights. We are NOT the United Nations which must overlook such things in a misguided over-respect for national sovereignty.

There is, of course, a spectrum, but we should definitely prefer to hold meetings in places like Canada and Germany than in North Korea.

At heart, ICANN is just a California private sector company. And it must ensure the safety and well-being of all its participants equally, and in particular to ensure respect of what we in the UK called 'protected characteristics'

But the Board will have some excuse. They always do.

And the community will, in all probability, ultimately tolerate it, like we did with the visas.

On 08/10/16 02:58, Debbie Monahan wrote: > Hi all > > Following on from Peter’s topic on location for ICANN meetings, I would > like us to also raise the choice of Abu Dhabi as a venue where women do > not enjoy the freedoms of other places and where the females attending > may have issues walking the streets by themselves etc. Are things like > this not considered when selecting a meeting place. > > Thanks > Debbie > > >> On 8/10/2016, at 04:59, Peter Vergote <peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be >> <mailto:peter.vergote@dnsbelgium.be>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> A couple of points that may be relevant: >> >> - What’s next on protection on country en territory names now >> that CCWG is preparing their final report and will come to conclusion >> that it is not feasible to come up with an overall approach? Is the >> Board inclined to keep the status quo from the applicant guidebook or >> will it yield tot he wishes of the GNSO? >> - Location for ICANN meetings: given all the trouble with >> visa for ICANN57, how will the Board address this to avoid this in future? >> >> Best regs, >> >> Peter >> >> *Peter Vergote* >> *Legal & Corp. Affairs Manager* >> +32 16 29 89 28 >> +32 474 790096 >> >> *www.dnsbelgium.be* <http://www.dnsbelgium.be/> >> >> <image001.png> >> >> *Van: *<owner-ccnso-council@icann.org >> <mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org>> namens Katrina Sataki >> <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> >> *Datum: *vrijdag 7 oktober 2016 10:51 >> *Aan: *ccNSO Council <ccnso-council@icann.org >> <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org>> >> *Onderwerp: *[ccnso-council] FW: ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics >> (Constituency Day) >> >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> The ICANN Board asks us what questions we’d like to discuss during our >> meeting in Hyderabad. >> Please feel free to suggest hot topics by 24 October! >> >> Thank you! >> >> Kind regards, >> >> ]{atrina >> >> >> *From: *Vinciane Koenigsfeld <vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org >> <mailto:vinciane.koenigsfeld@icann.org>> >> *Date: *Friday 7 October 2016 11:45 >> *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> >> *Cc: *Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk <mailto:chris@disspain.uk>>, >> "Board-Ops-Team@icann.org <mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org>" >> <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> >> *Subject: *ccNSO Meeting with the Board : Topics (Constituency Day) >> >> Dear Katrina, >> >> We are looking forward to seeing you in Hyderabad! >> >> As you know, over the years, the Board has heard from many Groups on >> the need to make the Constituency Day interaction between the Board >> and Constituency/Stakeholder Groups at ICANN Public Meetings more >> effective for both the Groups and the Board. >> >> To do this, Board Operations collects, ahead of the Meeting, the >> questions that each Group would like to bring to the Board. >> >> We would appreciate receiving the questions/topics that ccNSO might >> want to discuss with the Board during the meeting currently scheduled >> on Monday 7 November. The deadline for submission of these topics >> is *_Wednesday 26 October_*. >> >> We are as well taking this opportunity to share with you the Board's >> questions to your Group, for discussion during this meeting . >> >> QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE ccNSO : >> >> 1. What do we (Board and ICANN organization) have to do to make >> the transition work for you? >> 2. What do we (Board, ICANN organization and community) need to >> do to advance trust and confidence in what we do? >> >> >> Best, >> >> The Board Ops team >