Thanks Daniel. I also follow the core values discussion from the distance. I just tried to compile comments into a text that puts them in context for a preamble… it will be great if you could try to add your comments there? It is a bit hard to capture the essence of what people are trying to change, so it might be better if we do it as a collective. Maybe a googledoc or another tool for editing a document as a group? Regards, Sylvia ———— ** ISIF Asia call for grants proposals and award nominations has been extended until 15 September (midnight UTC) www.isif.asia <http://www.isif.asia/> - Get started and submit your application! ** Sylvia Cadena | sylvia@apnic.net | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation <http://www.apnic.foundation/> On 7/9/17, 1:56 am, "Daniel Dardailler" <danield@w3.org> wrote: BTW, I have meant to mention it for a while, I participate (from a distance) in the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Internet Core Values, which relates to our Open Internet description. It's still work-progress, but you can get a recent listing of those core values at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7pUJzpEBbZPsLLzEaDovlhc4LKAuu8_B4XogIJj... On 2017-09-06 14:43, Daniel Dardailler wrote: > Hello Sylvia, all > > I like the new definition, but I want to come back to the part that > refers to "equally accessible to all people for _all purposes_". > > By that core principle, any society where even a few things are > forbidden to promote (online or else, produce or relay), such as > negationism (the idea that the holocaust didn't happen), terrorism > recruitment, etc., would be consider out of the Open Internet. > > And more common illegal purposes abound: copying/serving files without > rights, fake news, diffamation, etc., and I'm not sure we want to > reserve the term Open Internet for an ideal world where everybody is > good except for the censors. > > Either we have to qualify the "purposes", e.g. "all law-abiding > purposes", and shift the responsibility of openness on those making > laws, or we need to contextualize "equal access" to transport level > neutrality, not looking at content. > > > On 2017-09-06 03:00, Sylvia Cadena wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have checked the document that Marika shared with comments from many >> of us and incorporated the last ones made on this thread. I hope the >> attached document serves to structure a preamble (as Erika suggested) >> in a way that reflects the spirit of the CCWG discussions, and our >> intent for the auction proceeds funds to make a difference. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Sylvia >> >> ———— >> >> ** ISIF Asia call for grants proposals and award nominations has been >> extended until 15 September (midnight UTC) www.isif.asia [3] - Get >> started and submit your application! ** >> >> Sylvia Cadena | sylvia@apnic.net | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs >> | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation [4] >> >> FROM: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Judith >> Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> >> ORGANIZATION: Hellerstein & Associates >> REPLY-TO: Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> >> DATE: Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 2:17 pm >> TO: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> >> SUBJECT: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated version >> open internet definition / description >> >> HI Erika and others, >> >> I like Daniel's summary of Open Internet but we need to also address >> the issue of accessibility. If you recall Elliott suggested the >> following >> >> An Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all purposes, >> and at every level of the stack. At the lower end of the stack, that >> means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, >> content, application or type of data being transmitted. >> >> If we could add the concept of accessibility to your definition I >> think that would greatly help >> >> I also like Sylvia Cadena's text and hope we can figure out a way to >> add this to our definition. >> >> That means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, >> content, application or type of data being transmitted. >> >> That means policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate and >> guarantee access >> >> That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by >> assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society >> >> That means training is available about how to manage, operate and how >> to use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively >> >> >> That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is >> encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against >> >> Best, >> Judith >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO >> >> Hellerstein & Associates >> >> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 >> >> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein >> >> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 >> >> E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com [1] >> >> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ [2] >> >> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide >> >> On 9/4/2017 7:04 AM, Daniel Dardailler wrote: >> >>> How about this for a start. >>> >>> === >>> >>> The concept of “Open Internet”, as referred to in the CCWG >>> objectives statement, can be described at many levels, e.g. >>> technogical, business, political, etc, and in particular, at the >>> societal level: >>> >>> An Open Internet is one where all people are empowered to >>> contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture that >>> opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an >>> Internet (i.e. a network of networks) that we, the people of the >>> world, recognize as ours — something we have built together for >>> one another >>> >>> At the technogical level, openness refers to how easily machines can >>> connect to each others and how stable, scalable, and secure the >>> network is. The IP routing and numbering systems, the DNS, or the >>> Open Standard process, have historically been serving an Open >>> Internet because of the opportunities they have provided to >>> participate, innovate and compete without artificial impediments >>> (e.g. patents, walled-garden). >>> >>> At the policy level, supporting the Open Internet happens when for >>> instance governments put in place regulations that promote, support, >>> facilitate and guarantee equal connectivity at prices affordable to >>> all members of society, together with education and training efforts >>> toward making the next generation more Internet savvy. >>> >>> In an ideal world, an Open Internet is one where no control or >>> impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content, >>> application or type of data being transmitted. >>> >>> From that broad description, the CCWG has considered the parts of >>> the Open Internet that: >>> - are aligned with the overall ICANN's mission and core >>> commitments >>> - are in need of funding for more development support >>> - are creating value-added for the Open Internet at large >>> - are consensual enough so that they do not endanger the ICANN >>> community >>> >>> ... >>> <and here we need to apply our CCWG "filter" regarding layering, >>> shared value, political issues, etc> >>> >>> On 2017-08-31 22:44, Marika Konings wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Hereby attached the updated version of the open internet >>>> definition / >>>> description which incorporates the comments and suggestions that >>>> were >>>> submitted since the last version. As there are a number of >>>> definitions >>>> / descriptions that have been put forward so far, are there any >>>> volunteers who would like to take a stab at coming up with a draft >>>> >>>> that brings the different perspectives together and addresses the >>>> different comments and contributions to date which the CCWG could >>>> review during its next meeting? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Marika >>>> >>>> _MARIKA KONINGS_ >>>> >>>> _Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet >>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _ >>>> >>>> _Email: marika.konings@icann.org _ >>>> >>>> _ _ >>>> >>>> _Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO_ >>>> >>>> _Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses >>>> [1] >>>> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages [2]. _ >>>> >>>> Links: >>>> ------ >>>> [1] http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso >>>> [2] >>>> >>> >> http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list >>>> Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org >>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list >>> Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://www.jhellerstein.com >> [2] http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ >> [3] http://www.isif.asia/ >> [4] http://www.apnic.foundation/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list >> Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds > _______________________________________________ > Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list > Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds