Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Judith Hellerstein's comments on the Auction Proceeds Draft
John, I am not going to critique anything about ISOC creating a foundation. why, wherefore, or amounts, or where the funding source comes from. but, my point is we cannot use a single personal experience in the establishment of a foundation as the role model for ICANN. Such a recent situation and one that is individual to a particular entity in the technical community does not necessarily present a role model for others, but is a laudable response to a funding opportunity that benefitted ISOC< and where ISOC is creating a foundation to support its core mission. BRAND new. Not a role model. Laudable for ISOC. Excellent! Legal status of "parent" organization: different from ICANN. Responsibility of "parent" organization -- VERY different. Incorporation of organization -- Different ________________________________ From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:31 PM To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Judith Hellerstein's comments on the Auction Proceeds Draft
Let's not assume anything from our own experience. Count on facts.
Sorry, but no. What we did while setting up the ISOC foundation is a fact. If you don't believe me, there's not much I can do about that. Once again, I totally concur with your concerns about the process and possible influence by ICANN staff, but assuptions that creating extra levels of bueracracy in a short term foundation are just that, assumptions. R's, John
It is not just John’s personal experience. It is Vanda’s which she share in detail. And mine with CIRA (and my own philanthropy), which I have talked about in detail. And others. I am not sure why you don’t trust the community to deal with this issue appropriately. This is not an abstract. This is us. I do wish we had more face-to-face time to discuss this (and apologies for not being in Marrakech) as there is a subtlety that I think a mailing list is not doing service to. EN
On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:
John, I am not going to critique anything about ISOC creating a foundation. why, wherefore, or amounts, or where the funding source comes from.
but, my point is we cannot use a single personal experience in the establishment of a foundation as the role model for ICANN.
Such a recent situation and one that is individual to a particular entity in the technical community does not necessarily present a role model for others, but is a laudable response to a funding opportunity that benefitted ISOC< and where ISOC is creating a foundation to support its core mission.
BRAND new. Not a role model. Laudable for ISOC. Excellent!
Legal status of "parent" organization: different from ICANN.
Responsibility of "parent" organization -- VERY different. Incorporation of organization -- Different
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com <mailto:johnl@iecc.com>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:31 PM To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com <mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Judith Hellerstein's comments on the Auction Proceeds Draft
Let's not assume anything from our own experience. Count on facts.
Sorry, but no. What we did while setting up the ISOC foundation is a fact. If you don't believe me, there's not much I can do about that.
Once again, I totally concur with your concerns about the process and possible influence by ICANN staff, but assuptions that creating extra levels of bueracracy in a short term foundation are just that, assumptions.
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