latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
Dear colleagues, I strongly suggest that we’d better finish and fix the REPERTOIRE first for the time being, then, go to the variant table. The CGP Repertoire seems ready soon …. FYI. Zhang 发件人: KIM Kyongsok [mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com] 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 19:47 收件人: hotta@jprs.co.jp 抄送: Wang Wei; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao@cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현; KIM Kyongsok 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
btw, we will send out CGP's variants for MSS by weekend. -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com> 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
Dear JGP and KGP we have finished most variant defination in MSS as attached, but there are still dozens of code points have NOT linked with their corresponding Variants (if any) yet. we will keep working on these code points from IIcore and Normalized table, also, the help from Japan linguists and Korean Linguist will be appreciated. Regards Wang Wei -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 抄送: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com>, "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com> 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? btw, we will send out CGP's variants for MSS by weekend. -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com> 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 UnicodeHanzi 34E4㓤 3577㕷 35A1㖡 35AD㖭 35BF㖿 35CE㗎 35F3㗳 35FE㗾 3960㥠 39F8㧸 39FE㧾 3A18㨘 3A52㩒 3A67㩧 3B39㬹 3DE7㷧 3DEB㷫 3E74㹴 3ED0㻐 4065䁥 406A䁪 40BB䂻 40DF䃟 4137䄷 44EA䓪 4606䘆 47F4䟴 48B5䢵 48BC䢼 48C5䣅 48D3䣓 49D1䧑 4A12䨒 4AB8䪸 4C7D䱽 4C81䲁 4C85䲅 4CB3䲳 4D08䴈 4E55乕 4EEE仮 4FAD侭 51B4冴 51E6処 5227刧 524F剏 5271剱 5368卨 5605嘅 5689嚉 56A2嚢 576E坮 57DE埞 5817堗 5841塁 58CC壌 5BFE対 5C02専 5CC0峀 5D5C嵜 5E3F帿 5F10弐 6060恠 60A9悩 60E3惣 61F4懴 62A6抦 6335挵 633F挿 637F捿 63BB掻 6442摂 656D敭 65FF旿 663B昻 663F昿 6667晧 66FD曽 681E栞 685C桜 685F桟 68C5棅 6A53橓 6AAA檪 6C17気 6D9C涜 6E13渓 6E7A湺 6E8C溌 6EDD滝 701E瀞 7114焔 713C焼 7155煕 7200爀 72A0犠 731F猟 732F猯 734F獏 7363獣 73E1珡 73E4珤 7460瑠 74A2璢 74C8瓈 750E甎 7534甴 754A畊 7573畳 757A畺 758E疎 75E9痩 764E癎 767A発 76CC盌 7807砇 783F砿 784F硏 7A36稶 7A4F穏 7A63穣 7AC3竃 7AD7竗 7ADA竚 7B6F筯 7B86箆 7B92箒 7C14簔 7C4F籏 7C83粃 7D9A続 7DDC緜 7E4A繊 7E4B繋 8117脗 8133脳 81D3臓 8217舗 8262艢 839F莟 83B5莵 8420萠 84DA蓚 8597薗 86CD蛍 874B蝋 877F蝿 88B5袵 894D襍 89A9覩 8A33訳 8AAD読 8B0C謌 8B72譲 8E99躙 8EE2転 8F0C輌 8F19輙 8F27輧 8FBA辺 9039逹 9197醗 91A4醤 91B8醸 91C8釈 9244鉄 9271鉱 932C錬 9421鐡 945A鑚 9665陥 967A険 96B2隲 974D靍 9771靱 982C頬 984B顋 98C7飇 98E1飡 98EE飮 994D饍 99C5駅 9A12騒 9A13験 9A28騨 9C04鰄 9C2E鰮 9C76鱶 9D0E鴎 9D2C鴬 9D44鵄 9D8F鶏 9DC0鷀 9E78鹸 9EB9麹 9EBA麺 9F62齢 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： 王伟 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
张老师, 王伟，齐超, 這197個字其中有部份HKIRC已做了variant考查，並包括在早前HKIRC向CDNC申請加入CDNC字表的65個「香港增補字庫」的中文字。如果你們覺得合適的話，我會儘快提供有關資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 10:31 AM To: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei Cc: ChineseGP@icann.org Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢 ________________________________ 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： 王伟<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>; Dongman Lee<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>; Joe Zhang<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>; Wang Wei<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>; Kenny Huang<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>; Yuri<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>; Yoshiro YONEYA<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>; Zhang Zhoucai<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>; ; Zhiwei Yan<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>; KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>; ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>; ? ??<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>; 조성덕<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>; 신상현<mailto:partizan21@naver.com> 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>" <hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn>>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>" <qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>>, "KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>" <KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>>, "ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>" <ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>" <JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com<mailto:partizan21@naver.com>>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
张老师, 王伟，齐超, 請讓我作出以下補充。我們只向CDNC提出了21個字的申請。另外的44個字HKIRC已做了考查，打算在下個CDNC會議提出申請。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Shea Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 11:46 AM To: 齐超; JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei Cc: ChineseGP@icann.org; Bonnie Chun Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师, 王伟，齐超, 這197個字其中有部份HKIRC已做了variant考查，並包括在早前HKIRC向CDNC申請加入CDNC字表的65個「香港增補字庫」的中文字。如果你們覺得合適的話，我會儘快提供有關資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org<mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 10:31 AM To: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei Cc: ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢 ________________________________ 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： 王伟<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>; Dongman Lee<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>; Joe Zhang<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>; Wang Wei<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>; Kenny Huang<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>; Yuri<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>; Yoshiro YONEYA<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>; Zhang Zhoucai<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>; ; Zhiwei Yan<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>; KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>; ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>; ? ??<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>; 조성덕<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>; 신상현<mailto:partizan21@naver.com> 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>" <hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn>>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>" <qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>>, "KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>" <KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>>, "ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>" <ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>" <JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com<mailto:partizan21@naver.com>>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
齐超： 对不起，上午外出。 粗略看一下，有许多是日文略字。 我手头一时找不到原有的电子档，建议你： 1. 参考Jonathan的资料（他说有的已经考察过） 2. 用程序扫描J-variant table。 把结果传给我看看。我现在出去，晚上可以再浏览校对。 张 发件人: 齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢 _____ 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> 王伟 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> ; Dongman Lee <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> ; Joe Zhang <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> ; Wang Wei <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> ; Kenny Huang <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> ; Yuri <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> ; Yoshiro YONEYA <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> ; Zhang Zhoucai <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> ; ; Zhiwei Yan <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> ; KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> ; ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> ; JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> ; ? ?? <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> ; <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> 조성덕; <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> > 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> >, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
附上的zip file有21個字的variant考查。下星期一我會提供另外44個字的資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Zhang Zhoucai Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 3:07 PM To: '齐超'; 'JOEZHANG43'; 'yanzhiwei'; 'wangwei' Cc: ChineseGP@icann.org Subject: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 齐超： 对不起，上午外出。 粗略看一下，有许多是日文略字。 我手头一时找不到原有的电子档，建议你： 1. 参考Jonathan的资料（他说有的已经考察过） 2. 用程序扫描J-variant table。 把结果传给我看看。我现在出去，晚上可以再浏览校对。 张 发件人: 齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢 ________________________________ 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： 王伟<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>; Dongman Lee<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>; Joe Zhang<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>; Wang Wei<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>; Kenny Huang<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>; Yuri<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>; Yoshiro YONEYA<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>; Zhang Zhoucai<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>; ; Zhiwei Yan<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>; KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>; ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>; ? ??<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>; 조성덕<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>; 신상현<mailto:partizan21@naver.com> 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>" <hotta@jprs.co.jp<mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn>>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr<mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com<mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com>>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn>>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com<mailto:huangksh@gmail.com>>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp<mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp<mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn<mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>" <qichao@cnnic.cn<mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn>>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn<mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>>, "KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>" <KoreanGP@icann.org<mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org>>, "ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>" <ChineseGP@icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org>>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>" <JapaneseGP@icann.org<mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org>>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr<mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr>>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com<mailto:isanjo@empas.com>>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com<mailto:partizan21@naver.com>>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com<mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com>> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
各位,好, 我整理了一下Jonathan发过来的文字, 在APPFORM里有申请加入的新字以及简繁体对应关系. 这部分大都在澎湖会议时被提出, 有一些已经被采纳被写进了CGP的字表里(但是像"㩜U+3A5C"并不在MSR里). 剩下有一些是当时会议被标记未决或未通过的但是包括在IICore里的, 我以黄色背景作了标记 . 其变体关系定义还请各位专家参考. 谢谢各位. -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"Jonathan Shea" <jonathan.shea@hkirc.hk> 发送时间:2015-04-17 18:44:35 (星期五) 收件人: "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "'齐超'" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, 'JOEZHANG43' <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, 'yanzhiwei' <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, 'wangwei' <wangwei@cnic.cn> 抄送: "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org> 主题: RE: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 附上的zip file有21個字的variant考查。下星期一我會提供另外44個字的資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Zhang Zhoucai Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 3:07 PM To: '齐超'; 'JOEZHANG43'; 'yanzhiwei'; 'wangwei' Cc:ChineseGP@icann.org Subject: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 齐超： 对不起，上午外出。 粗略看一下，有许多是日文略字。 我手头一时找不到原有的电子档，建议你： 1. 参考Jonathan的资料（他说有的已经考察过） 2. 用程序扫描J-variant table。 把结果传给我看看。我现在出去，晚上可以再浏览校对。 张 发件人:齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送:ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 | Unicode | Hanzi | | 34E4 | 㓤 | | 3577 | 㕷 | | 35A1 | 㖡 | | 35AD | 㖭 | | 35BF | 㖿 | | 35CE | 㗎 | | 35F3 | 㗳 | | 35FE | 㗾 | | 3960 | 㥠 | | 39F8 | 㧸 | | 39FE | 㧾 | | 3A18 | 㨘 | | 3A52 | 㩒 | | 3A67 | 㩧 | | 3B39 | 㬹 | | 3DE7 | 㷧 | | 3DEB | 㷫 | | 3E74 | 㹴 | | 3ED0 | 㻐 | | 4065 | 䁥 | | 406A | 䁪 | | 40BB | 䂻 | | 40DF | 䃟 | | 4137 | 䄷 | | 44EA | 䓪 | | 4606 | 䘆 | | 47F4 | 䟴 | | 48B5 | 䢵 | | 48BC | 䢼 | | 48C5 | 䣅 | | 48D3 | 䣓 | | 49D1 | 䧑 | | 4A12 | 䨒 | | 4AB8 | 䪸 | | 4C7D | 䱽 | | 4C81 | 䲁 | | 4C85 | 䲅 | | 4CB3 | 䲳 | | 4D08 | 䴈 | | 4E55 | 乕 | | 4EEE | 仮 | | 4FAD | 侭 | | 51B4 | 冴 | | 51E6 | 処 | | 5227 | 刧 | | 524F | 剏 | | 5271 | 剱 | | 5368 | 卨 | | 5605 | 嘅 | | 5689 | 嚉 | | 56A2 | 嚢 | | 576E | 坮 | | 57DE | 埞 | | 5817 | 堗 | | 5841 | 塁 | | 58CC | 壌 | | 5BFE | 対 | | 5C02 | 専 | | 5CC0 | 峀 | | 5D5C | 嵜 | | 5E3F | 帿 | | 5F10 | 弐 | | 6060 | 恠 | | 60A9 | 悩 | | 60E3 | 惣 | | 61F4 | 懴 | | 62A6 | 抦 | | 6335 | 挵 | | 633F | 挿 | | 637F | 捿 | | 63BB | 掻 | | 6442 | 摂 | | 656D | 敭 | | 65FF | 旿 | | 663B | 昻 | | 663F | 昿 | | 6667 | 晧 | | 66FD | 曽 | | 681E | 栞 | | 685C | 桜 | | 685F | 桟 | | 68C5 | 棅 | | 6A53 | 橓 | | 6AAA | 檪 | | 6C17 | 気 | | 6D9C | 涜 | | 6E13 | 渓 | | 6E7A | 湺 | | 6E8C | 溌 | | 6EDD | 滝 | | 701E | 瀞 | | 7114 | 焔 | | 713C | 焼 | | 7155 | 煕 | | 7200 | 爀 | | 72A0 | 犠 | | 731F | 猟 | | 732F | 猯 | | 734F | 獏 | | 7363 | 獣 | | 73E1 | 珡 | | 73E4 | 珤 | | 7460 | 瑠 | | 74A2 | 璢 | | 74C8 | 瓈 | | 750E | 甎 | | 7534 | 甴 | | 754A | 畊 | | 7573 | 畳 | | 757A | 畺 | | 758E | 疎 | | 75E9 | 痩 | | 764E | 癎 | | 767A | 発 | | 76CC | 盌 | | 7807 | 砇 | | 783F | 砿 | | 784F | 硏 | | 7A36 | 稶 | | 7A4F | 穏 | | 7A63 | 穣 | | 7AC3 | 竃 | | 7AD7 | 竗 | | 7ADA | 竚 | | 7B6F | 筯 | | 7B86 | 箆 | | 7B92 | 箒 | | 7C14 | 簔 | | 7C4F | 籏 | | 7C83 | 粃 | | 7D9A | 続 | | 7DDC | 緜 | | 7E4A | 繊 | | 7E4B | 繋 | | 8117 | 脗 | | 8133 | 脳 | | 81D3 | 臓 | | 8217 | 舗 | | 8262 | 艢 | | 839F | 莟 | | 83B5 | 莵 | | 8420 | 萠 | | 84DA | 蓚 | | 8597 | 薗 | | 86CD | 蛍 | | 874B | 蝋 | | 877F | 蝿 | | 88B5 | 袵 | | 894D | 襍 | | 89A9 | 覩 | | 8A33 | 訳 | | 8AAD | 読 | | 8B0C | 謌 | | 8B72 | 譲 | | 8E99 | 躙 | | 8EE2 | 転 | | 8F0C | 輌 | | 8F19 | 輙 | | 8F27 | 輧 | | 8FBA | 辺 | | 9039 | 逹 | | 9197 | 醗 | | 91A4 | 醤 | | 91B8 | 醸 | | 91C8 | 釈 | | 9244 | 鉄 | | 9271 | 鉱 | | 932C | 錬 | | 9421 | 鐡 | | 945A | 鑚 | | 9665 | 陥 | | 967A | 険 | | 96B2 | 隲 | | 974D | 靍 | | 9771 | 靱 | | 982C | 頬 | | 984B | 顋 | | 98C7 | 飇 | | 98E1 | 飡 | | 98EE | 飮 | | 994D | 饍 | | 99C5 | 駅 | | 9A12 | 騒 | | 9A13 | 験 | | 9A28 | 騨 | | 9C04 | 鰄 | | 9C2E | 鰮 | | 9C76 | 鱶 | | 9D0E | 鴎 | | 9D2C | 鴬 | | 9D44 | 鵄 | | 9D8F | 鶏 | | 9DC0 | 鷀 | | 9E78 | 鹸 | | 9EB9 | 麹 | | 9EBA | 麺 | | 9F62 | 齢 | 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： 王伟 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김경석 KIM, Kyongsok
抱歉，我手头没有合用的工具。有一本过去资料，在从三亚到北京的快件途中。只好根据我现有的知识和工具，核对了一遍这些字。 大多数是日文汉字。 很多是古字现用，我没把握，最好请懂日文的核对一下。我加了问号。如果是古字，就别收了。 请齐超注意标注一下。 张 发件人: 齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟， 根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。 这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢 _____ 齐超 via foxmail 发件人： <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> 王伟 发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> ; Dongman Lee <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> ; Joe Zhang <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> ; Wang Wei <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> ; Kenny Huang <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> ; Yuri <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> ; Yoshiro YONEYA <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> ; Zhang Zhoucai <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> ; ; Zhiwei Yan <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> ; KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> ; ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> ; JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> ; ? ?? <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> ; <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> 조성덕; <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> > 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> >, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
张老师，您好， Jonathan已经发出了部分的香港字，据说全部的有一百多，可以覆盖下面一半以上了。现在由于没有权威资料，只能先标注再讨论了。另外老师说的“古字”，是否有字表呢？ 谢谢。 在 2015-04-17 22:42:30，"Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> 写道：
抱歉，我手头没有合用的工具。有一本过去资料，在从三亚到北京的快件途中。只好根据我现有的知识和工具，核对了一遍这些字。
大多数是日文汉字。
很多是古字现用，我没把握，最好请懂日文的核对一下。我加了问号。如果是古字，就别收了。
请齐超注意标注一下。
张
发件人:齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
张老师，王伟，
根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。
MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。
这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集 ？ 如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。
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Unicode
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Hanzi
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34E4
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㓤
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3577
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㕷
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35A1
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㖡
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35AD
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㖭
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35BF
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㖿
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35CE
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㗎
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35F3
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㗳
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35FE
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㗾
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3960
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㥠
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39F8
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㧸
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39FE
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㧾
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3A18
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㨘
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3A52
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㩒
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3A67
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㩧
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3B39
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㬹
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3DE7
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㷧
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3DEB
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㷫
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3E74
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㹴
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3ED0
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㻐
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4065
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䁥
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406A
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䁪
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40BB
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䂻
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40DF
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䃟
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4137
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䄷
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44EA
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䓪
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4606
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䘆
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47F4
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䟴
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48B5
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䢵
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48BC
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䢼
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48C5
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䣅
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48D3
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䣓
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49D1
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䧑
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4A12
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䨒
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4AB8
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䪸
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4C7D
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䱽
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4C81
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䲁
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4C85
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䲅
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4CB3
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䲳
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4D08
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䴈
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4E55
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乕
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4EEE
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仮
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4FAD
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侭
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51B4
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冴
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51E6
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処
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5227
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刧
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524F
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剏
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5271
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剱
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5368
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卨
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5605
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嘅
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5689
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嚉
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56A2
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嚢
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576E
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坮
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57DE
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埞
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5817
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堗
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5841
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塁
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58CC
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壌
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5BFE
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対
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5C02
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専
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5CC0
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峀
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5D5C
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嵜
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5E3F
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帿
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5F10
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弐
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6060
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恠
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60A9
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悩
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60E3
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惣
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61F4
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懴
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62A6
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抦
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6335
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挵
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633F
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挿
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637F
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捿
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63BB
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掻
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6442
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摂
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656D
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敭
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65FF
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旿
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663B
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昻
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663F
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昿
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6667
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晧
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66FD
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曽
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681E
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栞
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685C
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桜
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685F
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桟
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68C5
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棅
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6A53
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橓
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6AAA
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檪
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6C17
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気
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6D9C
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涜
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6E13
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渓
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6E7A
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湺
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6E8C
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溌
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6EDD
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滝
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701E
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瀞
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7114
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焔
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713C
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焼
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7155
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煕
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7200
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爀
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72A0
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犠
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731F
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猟
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732F
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猯
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734F
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獏
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7363
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獣
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73E1
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珡
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73E4
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珤
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7460
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瑠
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74A2
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璢
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74C8
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瓈
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750E
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甎
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7534
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甴
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754A
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畊
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7573
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畳
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757A
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畺
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758E
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疎
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75E9
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痩
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764E
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癎
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767A
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発
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76CC
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盌
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7807
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砇
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783F
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砿
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784F
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硏
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7A36
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稶
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7A4F
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穏
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7A63
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穣
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7AC3
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竃
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7AD7
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竗
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7ADA
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竚
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7B6F
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筯
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7B86
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箆
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7B92
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箒
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7C14
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簔
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7C4F
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籏
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7C83
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粃
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7D9A
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続
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7DDC
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緜
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7E4A
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繊
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7E4B
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繋
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8117
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脗
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8133
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脳
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81D3
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臓
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8217
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舗
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8262
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艢
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839F
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莟
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83B5
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莵
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8420
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萠
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84DA
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蓚
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8597
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薗
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86CD
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蛍
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874B
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蝋
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877F
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蝿
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88B5
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袵
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894D
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襍
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89A9
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覩
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8A33
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訳
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8AAD
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読
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8B0C
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謌
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8B72
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譲
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8E99
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躙
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8EE2
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転
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8F0C
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輌
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8F19
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輙
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8F27
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輧
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8FBA
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辺
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9039
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逹
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9197
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醗
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91A4
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醤
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91B8
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醸
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91C8
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釈
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9244
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鉄
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9271
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鉱
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932C
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錬
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9421
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鐡
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945A
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鑚
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9665
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陥
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967A
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険
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96B2
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隲
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974D
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靍
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9771
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靱
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982C
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頬
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984B
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顋
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98C7
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飇
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98E1
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飡
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98EE
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飮
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994D
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饍
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99C5
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駅
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9A12
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騒
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9A13
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験
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9A28
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騨
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9C04
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鰄
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9C2E
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鰮
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9C76
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鱶
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9D0E
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鴎
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9D2C
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鴬
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9D44
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鵄
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9D8F
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鶏
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9DC0
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鷀
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9E78
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鹸
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9EB9
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麹
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9EBA
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麺
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9F62
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齢
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齐超 via foxmail
发件人： 王伟
发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38
收件人： KIM Kyongsok
抄送： hotta@jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현
主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear All
After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K.
The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset:
A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR)
MSS=A+B+C-D-E
D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62)
finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants.
After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire.
STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire.
Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments.
Regards
WANG Wei
PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao
-----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
--
김경석 KIM, Kyongsok
王伟，您好， 这是根据你上次发出的MSS，增加了MSS-JPRS页，以橙色标记出双方overlap的汉字。 另外，对于variant的部分，由于197个字没有确认，所以以Allocated/Blocked空行作为标记 ： | Unicode | Hanzi | Allocated | | 3447 | 㑇 | 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) | | 3473 | 㑳 | 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) | | 34E4 | 㓤 | | 比如，“㓤”字就是未确认variant的。 还请各位审阅 -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间:2015-04-16 23:38:18 (星期四) 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com> 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
齐超： 星期天打扰了。 我上午浏览这表格数据，发现一点问题。就是这IIcoreSource，有些标记错位。 需知这些信息是很重要的。如我们呢要确定一个字的当代字义，还是要首先看看是哪个国家/地区提出来的进入IIcore的。我复查了一下195个字，竟然有好几个字是南北韩提出的，除了许多日本提出的，还有港澳提出的。 建议你分字段把IIcoreSource标注，G,T,J,K,H,M,K,D(DPRK-北朝鲜)这样一目了然，便于核查。 张 发件人: 齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月19日 2:20 收件人: 王伟 抄送: Joe Zhang; Kenny Huang; Zhang Zhoucai; Zhiwei Yan; ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 王伟，您好， 这是根据你上次发出的MSS，增加了MSS-JPRS页，以橙色标记出双方overlap的汉字。 另外，对于variant的部分，由于197个字没有确认，所以以Allocated/Blocked空行作为标记 ： Unicode Hanzi Allocated 3447 㑇 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) 3473 㑳 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) 34E4 㓤 比如，“㓤”字就是未确认variant的。 还请各位审阅 -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> > 发送时间:2015-04-16 23:38:18 (星期四) 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> > 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> > 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> >, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
我指的是IIcore的下列信息： UCODE 1-5 BYTE GSOURCE 6-8 BYTE TSOURCE 9-11BYTE JSOURCE 12-14BYTE HSOURCE 15-17BYTE KSOURCE 18-20BYTE MSOURCE 21-23BYTE KPSOURCE 24-26BYTE 张 发件人: Zhang Zhoucai [mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月19日 11:34 收件人: '齐超'; '王伟' 抄送: 'Joe Zhang'; 'Kenny Huang'; 'Zhiwei Yan'; 'ChineseGP@icann.org' 主题: 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 齐超： 星期天打扰了。 我上午浏览这表格数据，发现一点问题。就是这IIcoreSource，有些标记错位。 需知这些信息是很重要的。如我们呢要确定一个字的当代字义，还是要首先看看是哪个国家/地区提出来的进入IIcore的。我复查了一下195个字，竟然有好几个字是南北韩提出的，除了许多日本提出的，还有港澳提出的。 建议你分字段把IIcoreSource标注，G,T,J,K,H,M,K,D(DPRK-北朝鲜)这样一目了然，便于核查。 张 发件人: 齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月19日 2:20 收件人: 王伟 抄送: Joe Zhang; Kenny Huang; Zhang Zhoucai; Zhiwei Yan; ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 王伟，您好， 这是根据你上次发出的MSS，增加了MSS-JPRS页，以橙色标记出双方overlap的汉字。 另外，对于variant的部分，由于197个字没有确认，所以以Allocated/Blocked空行作为标记 ： Unicode Hanzi Allocated 3447 㑇 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) 3473 㑳 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) 34E4 㓤 比如，“㓤”字就是未确认variant的。 还请各位审阅 -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> > 发送时间:2015-04-16 23:38:18 (星期四) 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> > 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> " <hotta@jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp> > 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn> >, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr> >, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com <mailto:joezhang43@hotmail.com> >, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:wangwei@cnnic.cn> >, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com <mailto:huangksh@gmail.com> >, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp <mailto:takamatsu@jprs.co.jp> >, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp <mailto:yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn <mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> >, "<qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >" <qichao@cnnic.cn <mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn> >, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn <mailto:yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn> >, "KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> " <KoreanGP@icann.org <mailto:KoreanGP@icann.org> >, "ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> " <ChineseGP@icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> >, "JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> " <JapaneseGP@icann.org <mailto:JapaneseGP@icann.org> >, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr <mailto:mjkim@kisa.or.kr> >, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com <mailto:isanjo@empas.com> >, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com <mailto:partizan21@naver.com> >, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com <mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com> > 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
张老师，您好， 已经按您的需要修改， 后面Allocated为空白的是需要定义variant的汉字． 谢谢． -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn> 发送时间:2015-04-19 11:36:04 (星期日) 收件人: "'齐超'" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "'王伟'" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 抄送: "'Joe Zhang'" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "'Kenny Huang'" <huangksh@gmail.com>, "'Zhiwei Yan'" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 我指的是IIcore的下列信息： UCODE 1-5 BYTE GSOURCE 6-8 BYTE TSOURCE 9-11BYTE JSOURCE 12-14BYTE HSOURCE 15-17BYTE KSOURCE 18-20BYTE MSOURCE 21-23BYTE KPSOURCE 24-26BYTE 张 发件人: Zhang Zhoucai [mailto:joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月19日 11:34 收件人: '齐超'; '王伟' 抄送: 'Joe Zhang'; 'Kenny Huang'; 'Zhiwei Yan'; 'ChineseGP@icann.org' 主题:答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 齐超： 星期天打扰了。 我上午浏览这表格数据，发现一点问题。就是这IIcoreSource，有些标记错位。 需知这些信息是很重要的。如我们呢要确定一个字的当代字义，还是要首先看看是哪个国家/地区提出来的进入IIcore的。我复查了一下195个字，竟然有好几个字是南北韩提出的，除了许多日本提出的，还有港澳提出的。 建议你分字段把IIcoreSource标注，G,T,J,K,H,M,K,D(DPRK-北朝鲜)这样一目了然，便于核查。 张 发件人:齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月19日 2:20 收件人:王伟 抄送: Joe Zhang; Kenny Huang; Zhang Zhoucai; Zhiwei Yan; ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 王伟，您好， 这是根据你上次发出的MSS，增加了MSS-JPRS页，以橙色标记出双方overlap的汉字。 另外，对于variant的部分，由于197个字没有确认，所以以Allocated/Blocked空行作为标记 ： | Unicode | Hanzi | Allocated | | 3447 | 㑇 | 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) | | 3473 | 㑳 | 㑇(3447)㑳(3473) | | 34E4 | 㓤 | | 比如，“㓤”字就是未确认variant的。 还请各位审阅 -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"王伟" <wangwei@cnic.cn> 发送时间:2015-04-16 23:38:18 (星期四) 收件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 抄送: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com> 主题: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo@empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Wang Wei, I appreciate your effort in making the way easier and faster. I think I understand the purpose of the introduction of MSS, and you have my sympathy to some extent. Please see my observation and comments below. I need your and everybody's feedback. === Here, let me use the technical terms in Yoneya's algorithm we tentatively agreed in Dallas. <premises> (1) Japanese LGR-1 definition is almost finished by JGP - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire : intersection of JPRS repertoire and MSR - Japanese LGR-1 variants : no variants - dispositions in Japanese LGR-1 : all characters in Japanese LGR-1 are 'allocatable' - Japanese LGR-1 WLE : no rules in WLE (2) JGP has tentatively decided that Japanese LGR-2 would basically accept all the variants defined in Chinese LGR-1 and Korean LGR-1 (the appropriateness of this decision just needs to be confirmed after CGP and KGP define the variants) (3) Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire <then let me conclude that> (A) Definition of MSS is not necessary for JGP. This is because - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire is already defined using JPRS repertoire and ICANN MSR - Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants To put it in the other way around, Japanese LGR-1 is not affected by the definition of MSS, no matter how MSS is defined. This means JGP does not object the current MSS proposal if (1)(2)(3) stand, no matter how MSS is defined. (B) Therefore, MSS can be defined as the union set of current MSS proposal and Japanese LGR-1 repertoire, if CGP and KGP also agree. And the definition of the variants within MSS can be discussed between CGP and KGP. JGP will observe the discussion and the result. Here, if Korean LGR-1 doesn't have variants and KGP decides to basically accept all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, it's pretty straight-forward to define the RootLGR Han variants, because variants are exactly the same as those defined in Chinese LGR-1. (C) JGP just wants to see the Han RootLGR repertoire and variants that can be automatically generated using Yoneya's algorithm and wants to confirm that there is no big problem in the generated Han RootLGR. (D) CGP's proposal using MSS seems to be an ingenuity to speed up and to avoid big backtrack of the LGR development, I think it works if C/J/K repertoires are defined soon (actually CGP and JGP have already defined their draft repertoire). (E) How about using Yoneya's algorithm and terms (such as LGR-1 and LGR-2) in explaining CJK activities and its output to the community and using MSS in speeding up the development? This is because - it is easier to understand - it looks more neutral/fair to all C, J, and K - MSS can be regarded as an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm in the case CJK is confronting now. Regards, Hiro On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:38:18 +0800 (GMT+08:00) 王? <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear All
After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K.
The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset:
A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR)
MSS=A+B+C-D-E
D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62)
finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants.
After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire.
STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire.
Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments.
Regards
WANG Wei
PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao
-----原始?件----- ?件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ?送??: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "???" <isanjo@empas.com>, "???" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主?: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
--
? ?? KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Hotta San, Dear All Yes, I think Yoneya' algorithm and terms work for us. I think if everything goes smoothly, Han full-repertoire will be unified set = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire Which means, Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants and basically accepts all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, and so do Korean LGR-1 In that case, MSS will never be used. MSS is defined as limited sub-set of CGP repertoire, which contains proposed variants and will be used to coordinate with J and K It means, some specific code points in MSS, CGP might delete them or change their status according to the coordination result. (especially in the case like "��" and "�C") In that case, Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-2 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire Anyway, as Hotta mentioned, MSS is only an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm. Regards Wang Wei -----�ʼ�ԭ��----- ������: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] ����ʱ��: 2015��4��22�� 13:23 �ռ���: ��? ����: KIM Kyongsok; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao@cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; ???; ??? ����: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear Wang Wei, I appreciate your effort in making the way easier and faster. I think I understand the purpose of the introduction of MSS, and you have my sympathy to some extent. Please see my observation and comments below. I need your and everybody's feedback. === Here, let me use the technical terms in Yoneya's algorithm we tentatively agreed in Dallas. <premises> (1) Japanese LGR-1 definition is almost finished by JGP - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire : intersection of JPRS repertoire and MSR - Japanese LGR-1 variants : no variants - dispositions in Japanese LGR-1 : all characters in Japanese LGR-1 are 'allocatable' - Japanese LGR-1 WLE : no rules in WLE (2) JGP has tentatively decided that Japanese LGR-2 would basically accept all the variants defined in Chinese LGR-1 and Korean LGR-1 (the appropriateness of this decision just needs to be confirmed after CGP and KGP define the variants) (3) Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire <then let me conclude that> (A) Definition of MSS is not necessary for JGP. This is because - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire is already defined using JPRS repertoire and ICANN MSR - Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants To put it in the other way around, Japanese LGR-1 is not affected by the definition of MSS, no matter how MSS is defined. This means JGP does not object the current MSS proposal if (1)(2)(3) stand, no matter how MSS is defined. (B) Therefore, MSS can be defined as the union set of current MSS proposal and Japanese LGR-1 repertoire, if CGP and KGP also agree. And the definition of the variants within MSS can be discussed between CGP and KGP. JGP will observe the discussion and the result. Here, if Korean LGR-1 doesn't have variants and KGP decides to basically accept all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, it's pretty straight-forward to define the RootLGR Han variants, because variants are exactly the same as those defined in Chinese LGR-1. (C) JGP just wants to see the Han RootLGR repertoire and variants that can be automatically generated using Yoneya's algorithm and wants to confirm that there is no big problem in the generated Han RootLGR. (D) CGP's proposal using MSS seems to be an ingenuity to speed up and to avoid big backtrack of the LGR development, I think it works if C/J/K repertoires are defined soon (actually CGP and JGP have already defined their draft repertoire). (E) How about using Yoneya's algorithm and terms (such as LGR-1 and LGR-2) in explaining CJK activities and its output to the community and using MSS in speeding up the development? This is because - it is easier to understand - it looks more neutral/fair to all C, J, and K - MSS can be regarded as an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm in the case CJK is confronting now. Regards, Hiro On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:38:18 +0800 (GMT+08:00) ��? <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear All
After the discussion in today��s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao
has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K.
The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset:
A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR)
MSS=A+B+C-D-E
D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62)
finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set,
based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants.
After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no
variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire.
STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set
shared by all of us.
STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire.
Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments.
Regards
WANG Wei
PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao
-----ԭʼ?��----- ?����: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ?��??: 2015��4��16�� ������ �ռ���: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> ����: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "???" <isanjo@empas.com>, "???" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ��?: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
--
? ?? KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Wang Wei, On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:15:39 +0800 <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear Hotta San, Dear All
Yes, I think Yoneya' algorithm and terms work for us.
The above words ease me a lot:-)
I think if everything goes smoothly, Han full-repertoire will be unified set = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
agreed.
Which means, Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants and basically accepts all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, and so do Korean LGR-1 In that case, MSS will never be used.
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-)
MSS is defined as limited sub-set of CGP repertoire, which contains proposed variants and will be used to coordinate with J and K
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-)
It means, some specific code points in MSS, CGP might delete them or change their status according to the coordination result. (especially in the case like "机" and "機")
confirmed with thanks. (my understanding was correct:-)
In that case, Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-2 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
here I understand that Chinese LGR-2 will be the same as Chinese LGR-1 or just a small modification (if any) of Chinese LGR-1 depending on the requirements from J and/or K..
Anyway, as Hotta mentioned, MSS is only an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm.
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-) Thanks a lot, Wang wei. Regards Hiro
Regards Wang Wei
-----?件原件----- ?件人: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] ?送??: 2015年4月22日 13:23 收件人: 王? 抄送: KIM Kyongsok; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao@cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; ???; ??? 主?: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear Wang Wei,
I appreciate your effort in making the way easier and faster. I think I understand the purpose of the introduction of MSS, and you have my sympathy to some extent.
Please see my observation and comments below. I need your and everybody's feedback.
===
Here, let me use the technical terms in Yoneya's algorithm we tentatively agreed in Dallas.
<premises>
(1) Japanese LGR-1 definition is almost finished by JGP - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire : intersection of JPRS repertoire and MSR - Japanese LGR-1 variants : no variants - dispositions in Japanese LGR-1 : all characters in Japanese LGR-1 are 'allocatable' - Japanese LGR-1 WLE : no rules in WLE
(2) JGP has tentatively decided that Japanese LGR-2 would basically accept all the variants defined in Chinese LGR-1 and Korean LGR-1 (the appropriateness of this decision just needs to be confirmed after CGP and KGP define the variants)
(3) Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
<then let me conclude that>
(A) Definition of MSS is not necessary for JGP.
This is because - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire is already defined using JPRS repertoire and ICANN MSR - Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants
To put it in the other way around, Japanese LGR-1 is not affected by the definition of MSS, no matter how MSS is defined.
This means JGP does not object the current MSS proposal if (1)(2)(3) stand, no matter how MSS is defined.
(B) Therefore, MSS can be defined as the union set of current MSS proposal and Japanese LGR-1 repertoire, if CGP and KGP also agree. And the definition of the variants within MSS can be discussed between CGP and KGP. JGP will observe the discussion and the result.
Here, if Korean LGR-1 doesn't have variants and KGP decides to basically accept all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, it's pretty straight-forward to define the RootLGR Han variants, because variants are exactly the same as those defined in Chinese LGR-1.
(C) JGP just wants to see the Han RootLGR repertoire and variants that can be automatically generated using Yoneya's algorithm and wants to confirm that there is no big problem in the generated Han RootLGR.
(D) CGP's proposal using MSS seems to be an ingenuity to speed up and to avoid big backtrack of the LGR development, I think it works if C/J/K repertoires are defined soon (actually CGP and JGP have already defined their draft repertoire).
(E) How about using Yoneya's algorithm and terms (such as LGR-1 and LGR-2) in explaining CJK activities and its output to the community and using MSS in speeding up the development?
This is because - it is easier to understand - it looks more neutral/fair to all C, J, and K - MSS can be regarded as an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm in the case CJK is confronting now.
Regards, Hiro
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:38:18 +0800 (GMT+08:00) 王? <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear All
After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao
has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K.
The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset:
A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR)
MSS=A+B+C-D-E
D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62)
finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set,
based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants.
After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no
variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire.
STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set
shared by all of us.
STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire.
Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments.
Regards
WANG Wei
PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao
-----原始?件----- ?件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ?送??: 2015年4月16日 星期四 收件人: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "???" <isanjo@empas.com>, "???" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> 主?: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
--
? ?? KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Hotta San If it is needed, LGR-2 will be a small modification (if any) of Chinese LGR-1 depending on the requirements from J and/or K. :) -----�ʼ�ԭ��----- ������: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] ����ʱ��: 2015��4��24�� 16:50 �ռ���: ��? ����: 'KIM Kyongsok'; 'Dongman Lee'; 'Joe Zhang'; 'Wang Wei'; 'Kenny Huang'; 'Yuri'; 'Yoshiro YONEYA'; 'Zhang Zhoucai'; qichao@cnnic.cn; 'Zhiwei Yan'; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; '? ??'; '???'; '???' ����: Re: ��?: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear Wang Wei, On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:15:39 +0800 <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear Hotta San, Dear All
Yes, I think Yoneya' algorithm and terms work for us.
The above words ease me a lot:-)
I think if everything goes smoothly, Han full-repertoire will be unified set = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
agreed.
Which means, Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants and basically accepts all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, and so do Korean LGR-1 In that case, MSS will never be used.
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-)
MSS is defined as limited sub-set of CGP repertoire, which contains proposed variants and will be used to coordinate with J and K
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-)
It means, some specific code points in MSS, CGP might delete them or change their status according to the coordination result. (especially in the case like "��" and "�C")
confirmed with thanks. (my understanding was correct:-)
In that case, Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-2 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
here I understand that Chinese LGR-2 will be the same as Chinese LGR-1 or just a small modification (if any) of Chinese LGR-1 depending on the requirements from J and/or K..
Anyway, as Hotta mentioned, MSS is only an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm.
confirmed. (my understanding was correct:-) Thanks a lot, Wang wei. Regards Hiro
Regards Wang Wei
-----?��ԭ��----- ?����: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] ?��??: 2015��4��22�� 13:23 �ռ���: ��? ����: KIM Kyongsok; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao@cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP@icann.org; ChineseGP@icann.org; JapaneseGP@icann.org; ? ??; ???; ??? ��?: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear Wang Wei,
I appreciate your effort in making the way easier and faster. I think I understand the purpose of the introduction of MSS, and you have my sympathy to some extent.
Please see my observation and comments below. I need your and everybody's feedback.
===
Here, let me use the technical terms in Yoneya's algorithm we tentatively agreed in Dallas.
<premises>
(1) Japanese LGR-1 definition is almost finished by JGP - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire : intersection of JPRS repertoire and MSR - Japanese LGR-1 variants : no variants - dispositions in Japanese LGR-1 : all characters in Japanese LGR-1 are 'allocatable' - Japanese LGR-1 WLE : no rules in WLE
(2) JGP has tentatively decided that Japanese LGR-2 would basically accept all the variants defined in Chinese LGR-1 and Korean LGR-1 (the appropriateness of this decision just needs to be confirmed after CGP and KGP define the variants)
(3) Han full-repertoire = Chinese LGR-1 repertoire + Japanese LGR-1 repertoire + Korean LGR-1 repertoire
<then let me conclude that>
(A) Definition of MSS is not necessary for JGP.
This is because - Japanese LGR-1 repertoire is already defined using JPRS repertoire and ICANN MSR - Japanese LGR-1 doesn't have variants
To put it in the other way around, Japanese LGR-1 is not affected by the definition of MSS, no matter how MSS is defined.
This means JGP does not object the current MSS proposal if (1)(2)(3) stand, no matter how MSS is defined.
(B) Therefore, MSS can be defined as the union set of current MSS proposal and Japanese LGR-1 repertoire, if CGP and KGP also agree. And the definition of the variants within MSS can be discussed between CGP and KGP. JGP will observe the discussion and the result.
Here, if Korean LGR-1 doesn't have variants and KGP decides to basically accept all the variants in Chinese LGR-1, it's pretty straight-forward to define the RootLGR Han variants, because variants are exactly the same as those defined in Chinese LGR-1.
(C) JGP just wants to see the Han RootLGR repertoire and variants that can be automatically generated using Yoneya's algorithm and wants to confirm that there is no big problem in the generated Han RootLGR.
(D) CGP's proposal using MSS seems to be an ingenuity to speed up and to avoid big backtrack of the LGR development, I think it works if C/J/K repertoires are defined soon (actually CGP and JGP have already defined their draft repertoire).
(E) How about using Yoneya's algorithm and terms (such as LGR-1 and LGR-2) in explaining CJK activities and its output to the community and using MSS in speeding up the development?
This is because - it is easier to understand - it looks more neutral/fair to all C, J, and K - MSS can be regarded as an intermediate tool that is introduced to speed up Yoneya's algorithm in the case CJK is confronting now.
Regards, Hiro
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:38:18 +0800 (GMT+08:00) ��? <wangwei@cnic.cn> wrote:
Dear All
After the discussion in today��s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao
has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K.
The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset:
A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR)
MSS=A+B+C-D-E
D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62)
finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set,
based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants.
After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no
variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire.
STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set
shared by all of us.
STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire.
Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments.
Regards
WANG Wei
PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao
-----ԭʼ?��----- ?����: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ?��??: 2015��4��16�� ������ �ռ���: "hotta@jprs.co.jp" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> ����: "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43@hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei@cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh@gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu@jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao@cnnic.cn>" <qichao@cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei@cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP@icann.org" <KoreanGP@icann.org>, "ChineseGP@icann.org" <ChineseGP@icann.org>, "JapaneseGP@icann.org" <JapaneseGP@icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim@kisa.or.kr>, "???" <isanjo@empas.com>, "???" <partizan21@naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0@gmail.com> ��?: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
--
? ?? KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Prof. Kim, Attached the draft JGP's LGR-1. This is the same one which I sent to you personally on "Thu, 9 Apr 2015 14:20:26 +0900". Anyway, what does 'L' in KLGP stand for? Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:47:20 +0900 KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear everybody:
KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table.
I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables.
Thanks very much in advance.
-- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
Dear Minjee, Minjung, (1) Could you tell CGP, JGP, KGP members how to join the meeting remotely - especially, adobeconnect room URL and phone# ? Could you tell such information to Sarmad as well? (2) We need to prepare for and pre-check the meeting facility such as remote tool, projector, and phone before the meeting starts. What time can we come in the meeting room? Can we have your phone# to call you just in case? Regards, Hiro
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