Hi Stephane and everyone - sorry if I wasn't clear before; the NCSG fully intends to comply with all the time lines and dates, so we are not suggesting a postponement. Some of us were merely thinking ahead, of "what ifs"; I haven't consulted the NCSG officers and Councilors on this, but - in answer to your question, and assuming there comes a "what if" scenario - my guess is that extending the current Council leadership term temporarily would seem to most to be the preferable alternative. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:"<Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> CC:"Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 7/15/2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines Thanks Mary. I understand and appreciate the NCSG's issues. However, considering these special circumstances, could the NCSG not extend their current councillors until they are in a position to elect new ones? And if not, what do you suggest be done? That the Council extend its officers instead? If so, for how long? I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's being asked of us, especially in the light of other Councillors' comments that we should go with option 1 and not delay the elections. Thanks, Stéphane Le 15 juil. 2011 à 01:11, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit : Hello - I can try to explain some of the issues. NCSG intends fully to comply with and meet all the mandated deadlines; however, the Council should know that we are probably laboring under greater pressure than most of the other groups. This is because the new NCSG Charter was just approved by the Board in Singapore, and we've also had a large number of new members (both directly into the SG and through the newly-approved Not for Profit Operational Concerns (NPOC) Constituency). We will also have to elect (or re-elect, as may happen) 4 Councilors, including transitioning from having 3 Board appointed Councilors to all Councilors being elected by the SG (i.e. under the approved Charter, elections for Council seats are SG-wide, not via Constituencies), which can happen only procedurally after the new Charter is formally approved and accepted by the SG membership. Mind you, I'm not making an early excuse for delay - like I said, we (especially our SG Chair and Executive Committee) are working hard to make sure not only that all relevant time lines are met, but that the elections are sufficiently well-publicized so that we will have good candidates coming forward (from various geographical regions, as mandated by our Charter) and that all SG members (especially the newer ones) know about the elections and can participate fully. Hopefully this explains some of the concerns that have been raised and gives the Council a sense of what we are having to do within NCSG. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention: firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> To: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> CC: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 7/14/2011 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines I agree with Jeff and SVG. How typical of our GNSO/ ICANN psyche that we instantly look to move a deadline rather than address the issue of tardiness... Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:42 AM To: Neuman, Jeff Cc: Wendy Seltzer; Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines Agree with Jeff that extending is not an option. If SGs find they cannot elect their new reps in time for Dakar, then they should look to extend the terms of their own Councillors so as not to impact the bylaw-mandated leadership election timeline. Thanks, Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 14 juil. 2011 à 21:09, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> a écrit :
The election timelines are set forth in the Bylaws. Given that we still have 3 months until the annual meeting, shouldn't that be enough time to get everything done?
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:05 PM To: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
NCSG is also working on its Council elections.
A third option would be to postpone our Council elections (and briefly extend the terms of current officers) if some SGs need a slightly longer window to complete their Councillor elections first.
--Wendy
On 07/14/2011 07:52 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks Wendy for your comments.
Yes that is correct, we designed option 1 to address the points made at the previous election and allow for the new Council to elect its Chair.
However, I think it's worth stressing that for this option to be viable, we need to be sure that all SGs that are due to replace Councillors will have done so in plenty of time for this vote to take place.
So my message was also a request to you, as representatives of your groups, to let the Council leadership and secretariat know if your own individual elections would be done in time?
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 13 juil. 2011 à 18:34, Wendy Seltzer a écrit :
Thanks for getting the conversation started Stéphane,
Does the second, electronic, option assume that the voters would be
the
old Councillors, since the new ones will not be seated until the end of the AGM? If so, I would strongly support option 1, to give the Councillors who will be serving under the chair an opportunity to vote in the Chair's election.
--Wendy
On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Councillors,
As a follow-up to this, please see attached a slightly modified note. The change is just to clarify one of the election procedure scenarios.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 11 juil. 2011 à 17:18, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Councillors, A t As the Dakar meeting looms, one of the items we must cover is the elections of the next Council Chair (the VCs are house-specific and therefore do not need to be determined here).
You will remember that last year's elections gave rise to some debate, and that the Council felt it would be useful to plan ahead a little more for this year.
To start this process along, I have been working with Glen to produce two possible scenarios for running the elections. These are attached. My thanks to Glen for her hard work on this.
As you will see from the attached, the options we have looked at are to try and address the wish that was expressed by some last year that it be the new Council that elect the Chair. There are some scheduling issues to address, and if the Council decides to elect its new Chair in Dakar, then we will have to work closely with those SGs electing new Councillors to ensure that those elections are done in plenty of time to allow for the Chair election to happen.
We also ask the question, if we have an election in Dakar (rather than the 2nd option of an electronic ballot beforehand) of whether the vote should be by open or secret ballot.
Please let us have your comments on these proposals.
Thanks,
Stéphane
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