Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
Dear All, Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X). With best regards, Marika
Rather curious wording (and I admit I was around when this was adopted) in that there is a requirement for a Public COMMENT, but the rules take effect at the end of it regardless of the comments submitted. More like a Public Notice. Alan At 18/04/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, <http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X>http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X).
With best regards,
Marika
For the record, for any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures that are recommended by the SCI, the public comment forum is conducted as part of the SCI deliberations. The SCI does review the comments received and make any updates, if deemed appropriate based on its review of the public comments received, before the recommendations are submitted to the GNSO Council for consideration. With best regards, Marika From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Thursday 18 April 2013 15:09 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures Rather curious wording (and I admit I was around when this was adopted) in that there is a requirement for a Public COMMENT, but the rules take effect at the end of it regardless of the comments submitted. More like a Public Notice. Alan At 18/04/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X).
With best regards,
Marika
On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X).
With best regards,
Marika
Thanks Marika, The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting." To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting." --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
All, I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows: Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting. Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 14:55 To: Marika Konings; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X).
With best regards,
Marika
Thanks Marika, The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting." To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting." --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
I support Wendy's language. Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 14:55 To: Marika Konings; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X).
With best regards,
Marika
Thanks Marika,
The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting."
To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting."
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 14:55 To: Marika Konings; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X). With best regards,
Marika Thanks Marika,
The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting."
To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting."
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
All, I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended. As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC. OR 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable. Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
<jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
All, I'll go with Jonathan's option 2, since we are all in different time zones it wouldn't matter that the deadline changes for every meeting, as long as it is made clear in every occasion. But I'll go with the majority position. If option 1 is chosen I think that the fixed time-zone should be UTC. Best regards, Osvaldo -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] En nombre de Jonathan Robinson Enviado el: Lunes, 29 de Abril de 2013 10:31 Para: 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Volker Greimann' CC: 'Wendy Seltzer'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Asunto: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures All, I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended. As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC. OR 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable. Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
<jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
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While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
Jonathan, Our recent experience suggests that #1 is the better option. As a resident of PST, it would make my life easier, but I see the global value of UCT. Berard --------- Original Message ---------Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures From: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@afilias.info> Date: 4/29/13 6:31 am To: "'Zahid Jamil'" <zahid@dndrc.com>, "'Volker Greimann'" <vgreimann@key-Systems.net> Cc: "'Wendy Seltzer'" <wendy@seltzer.com>, "'Marika Konings'" <marika.konings@icann.org>, council@gnso.icann.org All, I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended. As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC. OR 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable. Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
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All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures All, I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended. As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC. OR 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable. Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
<jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
Hi, Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.) --Wendy On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
I agree with Wendy that option one is better. I am fine with the 10 day period. Brian J. Winterfeldt, Esq. Steptoe & Johnson LLP 1330 Connecticut Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20036 TEL 202.429.6260 | FAX 202.261.7547 bwinterfeldt@steptoe.com The information contained in this e-mail may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please e-mail the sender at “bwinterfeldt@steptoe.com.” On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
Hi,
Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.)
--Wendy
On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
Best regards,
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would be the clearer option. Volker
Hi,
Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.)
--Wendy
On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
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Hi,
Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.)
--Wendy
On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone. Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for standard comment. I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at least. Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair overall. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would be the clearer option. Volker this e-mail.
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
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Yes, UTC Wolf-Ulrich Sent from my personal phone Am 30.04.2013 um 17:50 schrieb Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>:
Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone. Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for standard comment.
I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at least. Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair overall.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would be the clearer option.
Hi,
Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.)
--Wendy
On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
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How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
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While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker
I support Wendy's language.
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
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Option 1 and UTC seems to be the best solution of two that's not (and likely cannot be) perfect for everyone. Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> <http://www.fenixlegal.eu/> NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, <http://www.fenixlegal.eu/> Thank you On 30 apr 2013 17:50 "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote: > Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone. > Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out > for > standard comment. > I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at > least. > Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately > fair > overall. > Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] > Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 > To: Wendy Seltzer > Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; > <council@gnso.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures > I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for > 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline > would > be the clearer option. > Volker > > Hi, > > Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest > > notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize > > that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to > > month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar > > days, > > but 10 is a fine > > compromise.) > > --Wendy > > On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote: > > > We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as > > > possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with > > > the meeting times, too (option #2). > > > The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in > > > addition > > > to every single reminder. > > > Best regards > > > Wolf-Ulrich > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM > > > To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' > > > Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; <council@gnso.icann.org> > > > Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures > > > All, > > > I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public > > > comment. > > > My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this > > > is > > > global and meets what was originally intended. > > > As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: > > > 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. > > > There > > > is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but > > > UTC > > > seems as close to a standard as we have. > > > PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard > > > than UTC. > > > OR > > > 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the > > > meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies > > > on a per meeting basis. > > > This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it > > > varies on a per meeting basis. > > > Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder > > > in > > > calling for motions, it seems reasonable. > > > Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to > > > public comment. > > > Thanks, > > > Jonathan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: <owner-council@gnso.icann.org> > > > [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil > > > Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 > > > To: Volker Greimann > > > Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; > > > <council@gnso.icann.org> > > > Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures > > > How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? > > > Best regards, > > > Zahid Jamil > > > Barrister-at-law > > > Jamil & Jamil > > > Barristers-at-law > > > 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe > > > Merewether Road, Karachi. 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The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing > > > motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. > > > > Volker > > > > > I support Wendy's language. > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Zahid Jamil > > > > > Barrister-at-law > > > > > Jamil & Jamil > > > > > Barristers-at-law > > > > > 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe > > > > > Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan > > > > > Cell: +923008238230 > > > > > Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 > > > > > Fax: +92 21 35655026 > > > > > <http://www.jamilandjamil.com/> > > > > > Notice / Disclaimer > > > > > This message contains confidential information and its > > > > > contents are > > > > > being > > > communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the > > > intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy > > > this > e-mail. > > > Please > > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > > message by mistake and delete it from your system. 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All, I am also in favour of option 1 and UTC. Thomas Am 30.04.2013 um 19:04 schrieb Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>:
Option 1 and UTC
seems to be the best solution of two that's not (and likely cannot be) perfect for everyone.
Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M
Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu
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Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone. Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for standard comment.
I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at least. Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair overall.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would be the clearer option.
Volker
Hi,
Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.)
--Wendy
On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
All,
I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended.
As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC.
OR
2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment.
Thanks,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
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While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
<jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
> All, > > I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows: > > Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for > inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than > 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting. > > Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest > we post for public comment.
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Thanks all. We will close at that: 23h59 UTC on the day 10 days before the meeting We will now move to public comment. Jonathan From: Thomas Rickert [mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de] Sent: 30 April 2013 21:01 To: Petter Rindforth Cc: 'Volker Greimann'; 'Wendy Seltzer'; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'WUKnoben'; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures All, I am also in favour of option 1 and UTC. Thomas Am 30.04.2013 um 19:04 schrieb Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>: Option 1 and UTC seems to be the best solution of two that's not (and likely cannot be) perfect for everyone. Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you On 30 apr 2013 17:50 "Jonathan Robinson" <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote: Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone. Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for standard comment. I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at least. Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair overall. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would be the clearer option. Volker Hi, Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, but 10 is a fine compromise.) --Wendy On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote: We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with the meeting times, too (option #2). The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition to every single reminder. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures All, I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is global and meets what was originally intended. As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC seems as close to a standard as we have. PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard than UTC. OR 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies on a per meeting basis. This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it varies on a per meeting basis. Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in calling for motions, it seems reasonable. Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to public comment. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 To: Volker Greimann Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker I support Wendy's language. Best regards, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. 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Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment. -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. 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I support Wendy's language.
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Thanks Volker, Please expand a little to clarify your concern OR can it be answered by one or both the following two possible tweaks here: 1. We convert 8 business days to 10 calendar days which seems broadly consistent with the intent of the original wording and yet achieves the global meaning. 2. We make it exactly 10 calendar days i.e. we have a variable cut-off time depending on the time of the meeting. (Downside to this is that 23h59 UTC is always the same, therefore easily memorable. However, a variable time should work provided it is always clearly stated in the notice). Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 23 April 2013 14:46 To: Zahid Jamil Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now. Volker the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited.
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All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 14:55 To: Marika Konings; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X). With best regards,
Marika Thanks Marika,
The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting."
To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council
meeting."
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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Hi Jonathan, it is not really a concern, I just thought it may be worthwhile considering not to over-regulate. I am fine with the proposal, if there is consensus that we need it. A change to calendar days does make sense as business days vary. Volker
Thanks Volker,
Please expand a little to clarify your concern OR can it be answered by one or both the following two possible tweaks here:
1. We convert 8 business days to 10 calendar days which seems broadly consistent with the intent of the original wording and yet achieves the global meaning. 2. We make it exactly 10 calendar days i.e. we have a variable cut-off time depending on the time of the meeting. (Downside to this is that 23h59 UTC is always the same, therefore easily memorable. However, a variable time should work provided it is always clearly stated in the notice).
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 23 April 2013 14:46 To: Zahid Jamil Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
Volker
I support Wendy's language.
Best regards,
Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 www.jamilandjamil.com
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On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com> wrote:
All,
I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest we post for public comment.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 14:55 To: Marika Konings; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
On 04/18/2013 08:30 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear All,
Per our discussion during the wrap up session, I can confirm that the Bylaws require that any changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures are subject to a minimum 21 day public comment period ('The GNSO Operating Procedures shall be effective upon the expiration of a twenty-one (21) day public comment period, and shall be subject to Board oversight and review' - see article X, section 3, item 4, http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X). With best regards,
Marika Thanks Marika,
The current language of our Operating Procedures is: "Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 8 business days before the GNSO Council meeting."
To provide precision and uniformity, I propose we amend it to: ..."no later than 23:59 UTC on the day 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting." --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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Jonathan Robinson -
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Novoa, Osvaldo -
Petter Rindforth -
Thomas Rickert -
Volker Greimann -
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Winterfeldt, Brian -
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WUKnoben
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Zahid Jamil