Vote deferral requested
Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager [cid:image001.png@01D48358.C5A0D6C0] European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 * 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> * Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> [LinkedIn icon]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> [Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/AIMbrands>
Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> a écrit :
Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
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So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager [cid:image001.png@01D48358.C5A0D6C0] European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 · 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> · Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> [LinkedIn icon]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> [Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/AIMbrands> _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager [cid:image001.png@01D48358.C5A0D6C0] European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 · 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> · Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> [LinkedIn icon]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> [Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/AIMbrands> _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
May I just flag that, given the ICANN meeting in Kobe begins that week, a number of Councillors may already be traveling on 4 March. This could result in a lower than desirable level of attendance. Are we sure we will have a quorum? I don't recall seeing a Doodle poll to confirm my availability for a Special meeting on 4 March but perhaps I missed it. Many thanks, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:46 PM, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> wrote:
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote.
M
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote?
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Hi Marie,
I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes.
In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March.
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> a écrit :
Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
Marie Pattullo
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Hi Ayden, Are you unable to make the March 4th call? Best, Paul Paul D. McGrady Partner Winston & Strawn LLP 35 W. Wacker Drive Chicago, IL 60601-9703 D: +1 312-558-5963 F: +1 312-558-5700 Bio<http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/mcgrady-paul-d.html> | VCard<http://www.winston.com/vcards/996.vcf> | Email<mailto:pmcgrady@winston.com> | winston.com<http://www.winston.com> [Winston & Strawn LLP] From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:15 AM To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested May I just flag that, given the ICANN meeting in Kobe begins that week, a number of Councillors may already be traveling on 4 March. This could result in a lower than desirable level of attendance. Are we sure we will have a quorum? I don't recall seeing a Doodle poll to confirm my availability for a Special meeting on 4 March but perhaps I missed it. Many thanks, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:46 PM, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> wrote: Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158151142&sdata=yXnmu8idJOwqwuGm%2BbC5NM0TLayYwxrv05DAktf8bZ0%3D&reserved=0> https://blacknight.blog/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158161151&sdata=S2M751WJdX3go3mIS%2Fc6T4ynalMztEIQXvRaN5FW37g%3D&reserved=0> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmichele.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158161151&sdata=StS8TTTNb9wR5%2B7HkK1QgG8fX88yMit3GnRcuUrIURE%3D&reserved=0> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158171156&sdata=T27BG7GR0f%2F4Z7tS5vZzNR0IRm0WsWWtYtAx6CK1G9U%3D&reserved=0> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Hi all, On attendance/availability: For anyone not able to attend either the 21 February or 4 March Council meetings, you must assign your proxy vote to a colleague. Thanks, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:02 AM To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Ayden, Are you unable to make the March 4th call? Best, Paul Paul D. McGrady Partner Winston & Strawn LLP 35 W. Wacker Drive Chicago, IL 60601-9703 D: +1 312-558-5963 F: +1 312-558-5700 Bio<http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/mcgrady-paul-d.html> | VCard<http://www.winston.com/vcards/996.vcf> | Email<mailto:pmcgrady@winston.com> | winston.com<http://www.winston.com> From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:15 AM To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested May I just flag that, given the ICANN meeting in Kobe begins that week, a number of Councillors may already be traveling on 4 March. This could result in a lower than desirable level of attendance. Are we sure we will have a quorum? I don't recall seeing a Doodle poll to confirm my availability for a Special meeting on 4 March but perhaps I missed it. Many thanks, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:46 PM, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> wrote: Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158151142&sdata=yXnmu8idJOwqwuGm%2BbC5NM0TLayYwxrv05DAktf8bZ0%3D&reserved=0> https://blacknight.blog/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158161151&sdata=S2M751WJdX3go3mIS%2Fc6T4ynalMztEIQXvRaN5FW37g%3D&reserved=0> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmichele.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158161151&sdata=StS8TTTNb9wR5%2B7HkK1QgG8fX88yMit3GnRcuUrIURE%3D&reserved=0> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C82149574f3214b4f62d408d6974633b4%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636862725158171156&sdata=T27BG7GR0f%2F4Z7tS5vZzNR0IRm0WsWWtYtAx6CK1G9U%3D&reserved=0> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 · 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> · Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> <https://twitter.com/AIMbrands> _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens
On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Hi Marie,
Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting.
As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context.
Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required.
Regards, Keith
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote?
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Hi Marie,
I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes.
In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March.
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager
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The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:
Marie,
Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations.
Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community.
Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps.
Rubens
On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Hi Marie,
Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting.
As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context.
Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required.
Regards, Keith
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote?
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Hi Marie,
I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes.
In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March.
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> a écrit :
Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager
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Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager <image001.png> European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 · 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> · Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> <image002.png><https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> <image003.png><https://twitter.com/AIMbrands> _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
Marie, The EPDP Phase 1 work is done, and only Council action can initiate Phase 2. EPDP WG will not be able to take those extra days for any discussion. Rubens
On 21 Feb 2019, at 07:32, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> wrote:
Dear all,
Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point.
As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community.
Best
Scott & Marie
From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed.
As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same.
Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br <mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote:
Marie,
Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations.
Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community.
Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps.
Rubens
On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote:
Hi Marie,
Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting.
As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context.
Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required.
Regards, Keith
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote?
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Hi Marie,
I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes.
In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March.
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be <mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
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Marie What discussions? The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday. Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved. So I honestly do not understand this position. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. Thanks in advance, Scott & Marie Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager <image001.png> European Brands Association Avenue des Gaulois 9 · 1040 Brussels<https://www.google.com/maps?q=9+avenue+des+Gaulois+%0D%0AB-1040++Brussels&en...> · Belgium T: +32 2 736 03 05 M: +32 496 610 395 E: marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be> W: www.aim.be<http://www.aim.be/> EU Transparency Register: 1074382679-01<http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist...> <image002.png><https://www.linkedin.com/company/aim---european-brands-association/> <image003.png><https://twitter.com/AIMbrands> _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
I am really hoping we will be able to vote on this today to save time and not delaying Phase 2 of this important process! Sent from my iPhone
On 21 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Marie
What discussions?
The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday.
Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved.
So I honestly do not understand this position.
Regards
Michele
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Dear all,
Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point.
As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community.
Best
Scott & Marie
From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed.
As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same.
Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:
Marie,
Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations.
Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community.
Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps.
Rubens
On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Hi Marie,
Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting.
As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context.
Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required.
Regards, Keith
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote?
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From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested
Hi Marie,
I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes.
In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March.
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> a écrit : Dear Keith,
On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Scott & Marie
Marie Pattullo Senior Trade Marks and Brand Protection Manager
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Thanks all for this ongoing discussion. To be clear: * The EPDP WG’s Phase One Final Report is complete and has been delivered to us for consideration and a vote. * The EPDP WG is now done with its Phase One work. * There is no opportunity for further work or amendment to this report at Council. * We will need to reach a supermajority level of Council support to approve. * We can vote today (21 Feb) or on 4 March, but not any later. * If we don’t reach a supermajority, voting on *procedural* grounds, the Final Report would be sent back to the EPDP WG for further work to fix the process points. * If the report is sent back to the EPDP WG, the May 25 deadline to replace the Temp Spec would be missed and the Phase 2 work will be delayed. * If there are no procedural grounds on which to defer today’s motion, we should vote today, as the substance of the Final Report will not change between now and March 4. * If there are procedural concerns, we will discuss during today’s meeting. * The two questions we have this morning are: * (1) do we need to defer the vote to 4 March, and on what grounds? * (2) do we need to separate out the two recommendations that did not secure consensus in the EPDP WG for separate votes? I look forward to talking with you all shortly. Thanks, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:19 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested I am really hoping we will be able to vote on this today to save time and not delaying Phase 2 of this important process! Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Marie What discussions? The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday. Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved. So I honestly do not understand this position. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Keith Thanks for clarifying where we’re at. With respect to your two questions: My position on (1) is clear. I do not support (2) as I do not see how that is compatible with what we were tasked to do. We are meant to either accept the report in its entirety or reject it. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Keith Drazek <kdrazek@verisign.com> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 11:36 To: "arsenebaguma@gmail.com" <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Vote deferral requested Thanks all for this ongoing discussion. To be clear: * The EPDP WG’s Phase One Final Report is complete and has been delivered to us for consideration and a vote. * The EPDP WG is now done with its Phase One work. * There is no opportunity for further work or amendment to this report at Council. * We will need to reach a supermajority level of Council support to approve. * We can vote today (21 Feb) or on 4 March, but not any later. * If we don’t reach a supermajority, voting on *procedural* grounds, the Final Report would be sent back to the EPDP WG for further work to fix the process points. * If the report is sent back to the EPDP WG, the May 25 deadline to replace the Temp Spec would be missed and the Phase 2 work will be delayed. * If there are no procedural grounds on which to defer today’s motion, we should vote today, as the substance of the Final Report will not change between now and March 4. * If there are procedural concerns, we will discuss during today’s meeting. * The two questions we have this morning are: * (1) do we need to defer the vote to 4 March, and on what grounds? * (2) do we need to separate out the two recommendations that did not secure consensus in the EPDP WG for separate votes? I look forward to talking with you all shortly. Thanks, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:19 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested I am really hoping we will be able to vote on this today to save time and not delaying Phase 2 of this important process! Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Marie What discussions? The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday. Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved. So I honestly do not understand this position. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Keith, I was in the middle of preparing a comment which I have pasted below. It precisely relates to the non-consensus Recommendations that are in the EPDP Report and also in the draft Motion: I want to point out an inaccuracy in the motion, probably because of a mistake in the EPDP report. Paragraph 10 of the preliminary points of the Motion currently reads: 10. The EPDP Team has reached full consensus / consensus on the recommendations contained in the Final Report, apart from two recommendations (#2 and #16); I have read the final EPDP report again. If I understand correctly – and please correct me if I am wrong – there is an issue with regard to recommendation #1 (purpose #2). Therefore, in my opinion, Paragraph 10 of the Motion should read: 10. The EPDP Team has reached full consensus / consensus on the recommendations contained in the Final Report, apart from two recommendations (#1, #2 and #16); Similarly, the final EPDP report should note “(Divergence)” with regard to Recommendation #1 (purpose #2). Best, Flip Flip Petillion fpetillion@petillion.law +32484652653 www.petillion.law [signature_611073681]<http://www.petillion.law/> Attorneys – Advocaten - Avocats From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "Drazek, Keith via council" <council@gnso.icann.org> Reply-To: "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> Date: Thursday, 21 February 2019 at 12:36 To: "arsenebaguma@gmail.com" <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, "michele@blacknight.com" <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Thanks all for this ongoing discussion. To be clear: * The EPDP WG’s Phase One Final Report is complete and has been delivered to us for consideration and a vote. * The EPDP WG is now done with its Phase One work. * There is no opportunity for further work or amendment to this report at Council. * We will need to reach a supermajority level of Council support to approve. * We can vote today (21 Feb) or on 4 March, but not any later. * If we don’t reach a supermajority, voting on *procedural* grounds, the Final Report would be sent back to the EPDP WG for further work to fix the process points. * If the report is sent back to the EPDP WG, the May 25 deadline to replace the Temp Spec would be missed and the Phase 2 work will be delayed. * If there are no procedural grounds on which to defer today’s motion, we should vote today, as the substance of the Final Report will not change between now and March 4. * If there are procedural concerns, we will discuss during today’s meeting. * The two questions we have this morning are: * (1) do we need to defer the vote to 4 March, and on what grounds? * (2) do we need to separate out the two recommendations that did not secure consensus in the EPDP WG for separate votes? I look forward to talking with you all shortly. Thanks, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:19 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested I am really hoping we will be able to vote on this today to save time and not delaying Phase 2 of this important process! Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Marie What discussions? The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday. Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved. So I honestly do not understand this position. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Hi Flip, We can discuss during today’s call, but the EPDP WG reached sufficient consensus on Recommendation 1 (Purpose 2) as defined in the EPDP operating procedures. It did not have full support, but consensus was deemed reached. Thanks, Keith From: Flip Petillion <fpetillion@petillion.law> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:50 AM To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com>; arsenebaguma@gmail.com; michele@blacknight.com Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Keith, I was in the middle of preparing a comment which I have pasted below. It precisely relates to the non-consensus Recommendations that are in the EPDP Report and also in the draft Motion: I want to point out an inaccuracy in the motion, probably because of a mistake in the EPDP report. Paragraph 10 of the preliminary points of the Motion currently reads: 10. The EPDP Team has reached full consensus / consensus on the recommendations contained in the Final Report, apart from two recommendations (#2 and #16); I have read the final EPDP report again. If I understand correctly – and please correct me if I am wrong – there is an issue with regard to recommendation #1 (purpose #2). Therefore, in my opinion, Paragraph 10 of the Motion should read: 10. The EPDP Team has reached full consensus / consensus on the recommendations contained in the Final Report, apart from two recommendations (#1, #2 and #16); Similarly, the final EPDP report should note “(Divergence)” with regard to Recommendation #1 (purpose #2). Best, Flip Flip Petillion fpetillion@petillion.law<mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law> +32484652653 www.petillion.law<http://www.petillion.law> <http://www.petillion.law/> Attorneys – Advocaten - Avocats From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of "Drazek, Keith via council" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Reply-To: "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>> Date: Thursday, 21 February 2019 at 12:36 To: "arsenebaguma@gmail.com<mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com>" <arsenebaguma@gmail.com<mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com>>, "michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>" <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Thanks all for this ongoing discussion. To be clear: * The EPDP WG’s Phase One Final Report is complete and has been delivered to us for consideration and a vote. * The EPDP WG is now done with its Phase One work. * There is no opportunity for further work or amendment to this report at Council. * We will need to reach a supermajority level of Council support to approve. * We can vote today (21 Feb) or on 4 March, but not any later. * If we don’t reach a supermajority, voting on *procedural* grounds, the Final Report would be sent back to the EPDP WG for further work to fix the process points. * If the report is sent back to the EPDP WG, the May 25 deadline to replace the Temp Spec would be missed and the Phase 2 work will be delayed. * If there are no procedural grounds on which to defer today’s motion, we should vote today, as the substance of the Final Report will not change between now and March 4. * If there are procedural concerns, we will discuss during today’s meeting. * The two questions we have this morning are: * (1) do we need to defer the vote to 4 March, and on what grounds? * (2) do we need to separate out the two recommendations that did not secure consensus in the EPDP WG for separate votes? I look forward to talking with you all shortly. Thanks, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:19 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested I am really hoping we will be able to vote on this today to save time and not delaying Phase 2 of this important process! Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Marie What discussions? The ePDP is not having any more meetings. The marathon meeting yesterday was the last one and the final report was sent to Council yesterday. Any issues that were not resolved by the end of the meeting and updated version of the report are not going to be resolved. So I honestly do not understand this position. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Thursday 21 February 2019 at 10:33 To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Dear all, Many thanks for the responses. We very much appreciate the extraordinary engagement of all who have worked so tirelessly to bring us to this point. As Keith clearly (and rightly) stresses below, it is not for Council to re-litigate the work of that Team. This is why we believe that the current discussions must be allowed to continue, and the few extra days between now and 4th March could be critical. We refer you to the minority statement that the BC has co-issued with the IPC, which shows how very far we have come and why we are hopeful that allowing these intense (and good faith) discussions to continue would be of long-term benefit to the entire community. Best Scott & Marie From: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:43 AM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Cc: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested The NCSG is ready to vote on this motion tomorrow, and we are not requesting a vote deferral. We have been working diligently and sincerely in the EPDP team towards achieving a consensus outcome and, with the publication of the phase one final report today, we are ready to cast our votes on the motion that has been proposed. As the NCSG has stated in our 18 February 2019 comments to the EPDP team, there are areas where we have withheld our objections out of our genuine desire to reach a new consensus policy. Personally, I would like to see others do the same. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> wrote: Marie, Would BC, and possibly other C's or SGs that intend to request a deferral, consider requesting a deferral only on the votes of the recommendations with EPDP divergence ? For completeness, this would mean voting on Purposes 1-7, Recommendations 3-15 and 17-29, but not on recommendations 2 and 16. Or any slicing of the report that includes those two recommendations. Note that I'm not making such request or suggesting others to do so, because I would prefer no deferral at all, but I believe this would allow some progress in this meeting and save valuable time to discuss the issues that seems to be polarizing within the community. Also, this would need a few amendments to the motion, but it's soon even to suggest them. Just floating the idea to see if it helps. Rubens On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:37, Drazek, Keith via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Hi Marie, Thanks for your email. Your request for a deferral is noted, and we can discuss further during tomorrow’s meeting. As a reminder to all Councilors, as the manager of the GNSO policy development process, our role is to vote on whether the process and procedures and charter were followed by the EPDP WG. It is not an opportunity to re-litigate discussions and decisions made by the EPDP WG itself. Any requests for deferral and voting should be considered in this important context. Also, *if* there is a deferral to 4 March, there will be no further opportunity to defer Council’s vote on the motion; a vote will be required. Regards, Keith From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Marie Pattullo Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Given that the situation is very fluid, with substantive issues still being considered, it would give us time to understand the new policy before we vote. M From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:34 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested So if the report is being finalised today what benefit is there in deferring the vote? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday 20 February 2019 at 13:26 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Vote deferral requested Hi Marie, I want to highlight that the EPDP Team planned on submitting the Final Report today and we are having our final call in few minutes. In theory we can have a couple of additional days until the document deadline (22 Feb) for a extraordinary meeting in 4th March but the Council should have the report by tomorrow's meeting to be able to discuss and plan for its vote accordingly even if it takes place on 4 March. Best, Rafik Le mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 22:09, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : Dear Keith, On behalf of the BC, we would like to request that the Council vote on the Phase 1 EPDP Report be postponed until Monday 4th March so as to permit the continuation of the very practical ongoing discussion within the EPDP Team on the unresolved policy recommendations. 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Arsène Tungali -
Ayden Férdeline -
Drazek, Keith -
Flip Petillion -
Marie Pattullo -
McGrady, Paul D. -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Rafik Dammak -
Rubens Kuhl