🤣👍 On 30.03.2020, at 21:17, Sebicann Bachollet <sebicann@bachollet.fr<mailto:sebicann@bachollet.fr>> wrote: What about .[File:Smiley Olympics.gif - Wikimedia Commons] All the best SeB Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 sebicann@bachollet.fr<mailto:sebicann@bachollet.fr> @SebBach EURALO Chair Le 27 mars 2020 à 16:03, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> a écrit : It’s a bit like war profiteering. It’s disgusting but not really illegal and probably shouldn’t be. Buying up domains with a likely value isn’t itself DNS Abuse or even DNS “Misuse,” in ANY way. I would argue that these are domains more likely meant for resale than abuse although if the powers that be refuse to pay a premium, they might get used that way. Let’s be VERY careful about how we position ourselves on this lest we lose the modicum of credibility we have gained the past year. There’s a LOT of actual DNS Abuse taking advantage of this crisis, so let’s focus on that and continue in our efforts to combat systemic abuse, support predictive analytics, etc. This is a very dangerous path. If anything, it suggests that a restricted domain like .OLYMPICS would be a good idea. From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com<mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:00 AM To: "cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>" <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CPWG] Domain Name Abuse... potentially Thank you for these guys. I strongly argue this is exactly the discssion we should be having, and not just within CPWG / AtLarge, but it could be a good place to start. One way of approaching this would be to look at all the "norms" already out there: legal, as you mention, Wolfgang, but also standards based, as have been named in previous threads. Finding a common ground between and among these (starting with the "used up" example of child porn or the always controversial IP protection) could be a start. Looking forward to continuing this thread. Thanks, Joanna W dniu 27.03.2020 o 11:37, Wolfgang Kleinwächter pisze: Is the abuse "unfair", "tricky", "harmful" or "illegal"? Is this a "freedom" or "market" issue? If it is illegal (under domestic law or international law), it needs a response (and a procedure). This is a slippery slope. ICANN is not the "Content Police" of the Internet. But somebody has to look at such cases. Any idea? Wolfgang Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com><mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> hat am 27. März 2020 um 10:42 geschrieben: Both - your perception depends on which side you are. It is an investment for the buyer and an abuse for the victim. R On 27.03.2020, at 09:29, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond < ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> wrote: As the Tokyo 2020 Olympics are postponed to 2021, domain name pirates jumped on the occasion to make a quick buck. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/27/business/tokyo-2021-olympic-dom... Is this domain name abuse or domain name investment? Kindest regards, Olivier _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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