Agree On 3/30/20, 8:41 AM, "CPWG on behalf of John McCormac" <cpwg-bounces@icann.org on behalf of jmcc@hosterstats.com> wrote: On 27/03/2020 19:03, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote: > Basically, if you buy a domain name in the hopes of reselling it, that's > a non-problem. Definitely not, in itself, abuse. An irritation, for > some. And a potential problem. But not yet one. To people who watch domain name trends and registrations, this kind of thing happens all the time with news events. It is most apparent with celebrity deaths and there's generally a spike in registrations followed by many of the domain names being deleted a year later. There are some malicious registrations and there are industry backed operations to deal with these. However, most of the registrations will be monetised with PPC and affiliate advertising. > However, if you take one of those names, and use it to misrepresent > yourself (specifically your site) as someone/something you are not, that > is abuse. Also fraud. The question to my mind is, is that problem > better addressed as DNS abuse? Or via the existing legal system as > fraud? Which, I suppose, depends in part on how well the legal system > can deal with fraud on an international level in an interconnected world. Where intellectual property rights have been infringed, there are mechanisms in place to deal with it. Where laws have been broken, there are procedures and in place for dealing with the problem. It is complicated by being multi-jurisdictional. A lack of knowledge is dangerous. In rushing to categorise all such registrations as DNS abuse, it would make ALAC look clueless. It would be better to concentrate on actual DNS abuse (malware/spam/phishing/hacking etc) rather than trying to group all commerical activity that does not conform with a purist view as DNS abuse. The malware/spam/phishing aspect is far more dangerous than the clickbait registrations and the registrations for resale. Again, the level of domain names for resale in most TLDs is actually much lower than that the purists think. Even the 150K domain name survey on the .ORG earlier this month had the resale/auction percentage at just below 3%. With technological problems, the first response has to be technological and the second financial. The decision chain with legal action is often too long to make any difference and people still get hit by malware/spam/phishing. This first response is already happening with various industry groups being formed to deal with the problems. Legal action might be effective in the long term. Regards...jmcc -- ********************************************************** John McCormac * e-mail: jmcc@hosterstats.com MC2 * web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * Domnomics - the business of domain names Ireland * https://amzn.to/2OPtEIO IE * Skype: hosterstats.com ********************************************************** _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.