Wouldn't change a word. It's a volunteer-time sinkhole. +1 ___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56 On Sun., Sep. 29, 2019, 12:08 p.m. Carlton Samuels, < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marita: To answer you directly, yes, I do not see any useful movement coming. So conserve the energy.
We have been down the road before. The history is that during the horsetrading of what was the 2012 round, this entire idea and process was, IMHO, just something thrown on for 'feel good', for stickiness and to get ICANN over a hump. The right "optics" was the most important objective. And the applicants for strings grabbed it like a drowning man grabs at straws floating in the ocean. It worked.
Voluntary or contracted, it does not matter. The problem is enforcement. And, the mechanisms for enforcement.
First of all, the voluntary ones were just that. Except the sleight of hand that somehow their status was elided to become "enforceable" under contract. The nature of the "contracted" ones are that they make up and are part of the business model of the registry. Those present a few difficulties for me.
First, I'm philosophically opposed to ICANN regulating a business model. Because that inures to the position that ICANN is picking 'winners and losers' in the DNS marketplace. You can't be both free marketer and what amounts to being a freebooter at once.
Next, and the substantive point. In respect of PICDRP, look at who has standing to make the complaint. And, to be the principal adjudicator of said complaint. And, who bears the costs for that adjudication. Always follow the money. For in the end, it is the most compelling factor.
In my view, there are more than may reasons why this is a dog that won't hunt. First, ICANN org has shown very little appetite to enforce these contracts to the "t". And if that must be done at their cost, I can build you a thousand reasons to find that 'unhelpful'. Bottomline, diminishing returns, much ado about nothing. And, not worth the energy of the few.
My 2 cents.
Best, -Carlton
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:13 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying this is not adequate?
It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it looks like only individuals can send in comments.
Marita On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
The PICs live and die on enforcement. Long ago, I declared them to be not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'.
You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved unless there are third party enforcement rights of action.
-Carlton
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On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue
Primary sources:
*Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019
https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c
*Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap...
*Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19...
*ICANN Application comment form
https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login
Secondary sources:
*Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019
www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html
*Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet
Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019
domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet
*Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage
Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019
domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...>
*.amazon domains are getting closer
Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019
https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are...
*Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further
Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/
*ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment
May 20, 2019
www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/
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