So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying this is not adequate? It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it looks like only individuals can send in comments. Marita On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:

The PICs live and die on enforcement.  Long ago, I declared them to be not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'.

You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved unless there are third party enforcement rights of action.

-Carlton

============================== /Carlton A Samuels/ /Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround/ =============================

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue

Primary sources:

*Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board  May 15, 2019

https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c

*Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap...

*Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19...

*ICANN Application comment form

https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login

Secondary sources:

*Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019

www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <http://www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html>

*Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet

Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019

domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <http://domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-...>

*Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage

Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019

domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...>

*.amazon domains are getting closer

Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019

https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are...

*Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further

Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/

*ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment

May 20, 2019

www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/ <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for...>

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If I might moderate this a TINY bit, I can confirm that the cctrt found enforcement to be woefully underwhelming and part of the problem was structural. Compliance lacks some of the mechanisms needed to look atcontracted parties wholistically. Hense some of the recommendations from the RT. That said, I suspect these particular ones are different as they are mostly about reserve strings by a registry that doesn't lack for cash. I think a lot of pics are abandoned because of money and every registry, with few exceptions, migrates towards the generic to maximize sales. (there are recs in that as well). In THIS case, money is no object but the utility of the domain is. In other words, if the demands are Too high, the utility of the domain suffers but I believe that will all be resolved before launch and that enforcement, in this particular case, won't be a problem. Just MY two cents. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 12:07:14 PM To: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] reference list re: amazon PICs Hi Marita: To answer you directly, yes, I do not see any useful movement coming. So conserve the energy. We have been down the road before. The history is that during the horsetrading of what was the 2012 round, this entire idea and process was, IMHO, just something thrown on for 'feel good', for stickiness and to get ICANN over a hump. The right "optics" was the most important objective. And the applicants for strings grabbed it like a drowning man grabs at straws floating in the ocean. It worked. Voluntary or contracted, it does not matter. The problem is enforcement. And, the mechanisms for enforcement. First of all, the voluntary ones were just that. Except the sleight of hand that somehow their status was elided to become "enforceable" under contract. The nature of the "contracted" ones are that they make up and are part of the business model of the registry. Those present a few difficulties for me. First, I'm philosophically opposed to ICANN regulating a business model. Because that inures to the position that ICANN is picking 'winners and losers' in the DNS marketplace. You can't be both free marketer and what amounts to being a freebooter at once. Next, and the substantive point. In respect of PICDRP, look at who has standing to make the complaint. And, to be the principal adjudicator of said complaint. And, who bears the costs for that adjudication. Always follow the money. For in the end, it is the most compelling factor. In my view, there are more than may reasons why this is a dog that won't hunt. First, ICANN org has shown very little appetite to enforce these contracts to the "t". And if that must be done at their cost, I can build you a thousand reasons to find that 'unhelpful'. Bottomline, diminishing returns, much ado about nothing. And, not worth the energy of the few. My 2 cents. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:13 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote: So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying this is not adequate? It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it looks like only individuals can send in comments. Marita On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: The PICs live and die on enforcement. Long ago, I declared them to be not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'. You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved unless there are third party enforcement rights of action. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote: Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue Primary sources: *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019 https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap... *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19... *ICANN Application comment form https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login Secondary sources: *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019 www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <http://www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019 domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <http://domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-...> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019 domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage<https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...> *.amazon domains are getting closer Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019 https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are... *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/ *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment May 20, 2019 www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/ <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for...> _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Which seems like plenty Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 11:23:46 AM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] reference list re: amazon PICs Thanks Carlton and Jonathan, for your comments on this. But it is still unclear to me whether or not these pics are anything more than window dressing. I wonder whether any recommendations we might make would have any hope of making a difference. Just as a reminder, the PIC proposal includes, in addition to the creation of a joint Steering Committee (under the control of Amazon.org), the following commitments: 1. "Not use as domain names in each .AMAZON TLD those terms that have a primary and well-recognized significance to the culture and heritage of the Amazonia region; 2. Provide nine domain names in each .AMAZON TLD to be used for non-commercial purposes by ACTO and its member states to enhance the visibility of the region; and 3. Block from all use up to 1500 domain names in each .AMAZON TLD that have a primary and well recognized significance to the culture and heritage of the Amazonia region" Marita On 9/29/2019 6:25 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote: If I might moderate this a TINY bit, I can confirm that the cctrt found enforcement to be woefully underwhelming and part of the problem was structural. Compliance lacks some of the mechanisms needed to look atcontracted parties wholistically. Hense some of the recommendations from the RT. That said, I suspect these particular ones are different as they are mostly about reserve strings by a registry that doesn't lack for cash. I think a lot of pics are abandoned because of money and every registry, with few exceptions, migrates towards the generic to maximize sales. (there are recs in that as well). In THIS case, money is no object but the utility of the domain is. In other words, if the demands are Too high, the utility of the domain suffers but I believe that will all be resolved before launch and that enforcement, in this particular case, won't be a problem. Just MY two cents. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org><mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 12:07:14 PM To: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net><mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org><mailto:cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] reference list re: amazon PICs Hi Marita: To answer you directly, yes, I do not see any useful movement coming. So conserve the energy. We have been down the road before. The history is that during the horsetrading of what was the 2012 round, this entire idea and process was, IMHO, just something thrown on for 'feel good', for stickiness and to get ICANN over a hump. The right "optics" was the most important objective. And the applicants for strings grabbed it like a drowning man grabs at straws floating in the ocean. It worked. Voluntary or contracted, it does not matter. The problem is enforcement. And, the mechanisms for enforcement. First of all, the voluntary ones were just that. Except the sleight of hand that somehow their status was elided to become "enforceable" under contract. The nature of the "contracted" ones are that they make up and are part of the business model of the registry. Those present a few difficulties for me. First, I'm philosophically opposed to ICANN regulating a business model. Because that inures to the position that ICANN is picking 'winners and losers' in the DNS marketplace. You can't be both free marketer and what amounts to being a freebooter at once. Next, and the substantive point. In respect of PICDRP, look at who has standing to make the complaint. And, to be the principal adjudicator of said complaint. And, who bears the costs for that adjudication. Always follow the money. For in the end, it is the most compelling factor. In my view, there are more than may reasons why this is a dog that won't hunt. First, ICANN org has shown very little appetite to enforce these contracts to the "t". And if that must be done at their cost, I can build you a thousand reasons to find that 'unhelpful'. Bottomline, diminishing returns, much ado about nothing. And, not worth the energy of the few. My 2 cents. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:13 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote: So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying this is not adequate? It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it looks like only individuals can send in comments. Marita On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: The PICs live and die on enforcement. Long ago, I declared them to be not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'. You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved unless there are third party enforcement rights of action. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote: Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue Primary sources: *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019 https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap... *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19... *ICANN Application comment form https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login Secondary sources: *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019 www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <http://www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019 domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <http://domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-...> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019 domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage<https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...> *.amazon domains are getting closer Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019 https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are... *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/ *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment May 20, 2019 www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/ <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for...> _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Wouldn't change a word. It's a volunteer-time sinkhole. +1 ___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56 On Sun., Sep. 29, 2019, 12:08 p.m. Carlton Samuels, < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Marita: To answer you directly, yes, I do not see any useful movement coming. So conserve the energy.

We have been down the road before. The history is that during the horsetrading of what was the 2012 round, this entire idea and process was, IMHO, just something thrown on for 'feel good', for stickiness and to get ICANN over a hump. The right "optics" was the most important objective. And the applicants for strings grabbed it like a drowning man grabs at straws floating in the ocean. It worked.

Voluntary or contracted, it does not matter. The problem is enforcement. And, the mechanisms for enforcement.

First of all, the voluntary ones were just that. Except the sleight of hand that somehow their status was elided to become "enforceable" under contract. The nature of the "contracted" ones are that they make up and are part of the business model of the registry. Those present a few difficulties for me.

First, I'm philosophically opposed to ICANN regulating a business model. Because that inures to the position that ICANN is picking 'winners and losers' in the DNS marketplace. You can't be both free marketer and what amounts to being a freebooter at once.

Next, and the substantive point. In respect of PICDRP, look at who has standing to make the complaint. And, to be the principal adjudicator of said complaint. And, who bears the costs for that adjudication. Always follow the money. For in the end, it is the most compelling factor.

In my view, there are more than may reasons why this is a dog that won't hunt. First, ICANN org has shown very little appetite to enforce these contracts to the "t". And if that must be done at their cost, I can build you a thousand reasons to find that 'unhelpful'. Bottomline, diminishing returns, much ado about nothing. And, not worth the energy of the few.

My 2 cents.

Best, -Carlton

============================== *Carlton A Samuels*

*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:13 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:

...

So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying this is not adequate?

It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it looks like only individuals can send in comments.

Marita On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:

The PICs live and die on enforcement. Long ago, I declared them to be not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'.

You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved unless there are third party enforcement rights of action.

-Carlton

============================== *Carlton A Samuels*

*Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:

...

Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue

Primary sources:

*Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019

https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c

*Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap...

*Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19...

*ICANN Application comment form

https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login

Secondary sources:

*Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019

www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html

*Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet

Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019

domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet

*Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage

Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019

domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...>

*.amazon domains are getting closer

Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019

https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are...

*Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further

Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/

*ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment

May 20, 2019

www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/

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I largely agree with Alan on both counts. Amazon is just too hard. I think we have to accept that there are quite legitimate and strongly held views on both sides, so we cannot, in all conscience, say that ALAC favors one view over the other. PICS are different. ALAC strongly supported mandatory PICS and argued for their inclusion into the Registry contract with ICANN so that there would be some mechanism for at least ICANN to monitor (if not enforce) contractual undertakings. (yes it is correct to say that others cannot enforce PICS - the legal explanation is the 3rd party beneficiary rule - only parties to a contract can enforce its terms against the other contracting party - third party beneficiaries cannot). Voluntary PICS are another issue (put bucket and spit into whatever order you choose). Yes, some were important. But if they are to be retained, we need think through how to make them more effective. Holly

On Oct 2, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

This message is in reply not only to Marita's message quoted here, but to some of the other replies in this thread as well.

The ALAC has largely stayed out of the .amazon issue, and for good reasons:

- We are divided - some of our members from the Amazon basin area feel strongly that the company should not have has been granted the domain, others feel strongly that they should - When we did a poll of ALAC members a while ago, the larges sentiment was that there not be one side that wins all and the other gets nothing

The PICs are an attempt to ensure that there is not a 100% loser. How well they meet the countries demands and how well they will work is not clear, but I see no reason for the ALAC to get involved in it now. I cannot see us contributing so wisdom from on high which will make everyone agree. Put another way, we will certainly not be a major influence in the outcome, so perhaps (to quote Douglas Adams) it is mostly harmless, but I see no real benefit that justifies the work that would nee to go into it.

The conversation went on to PICs in general. I am a strong supporter. The madatory PICs were largely as a result of GAC Advice on sensitive TLDs and they will not go away. That is good, as we strongly supported them.

Many voluntary PICs were (to quote Carlton) not worth a warm bucket of spit (or alternatively, a bucket of warm spit - it is unclear which phrase was used first, but thereafter they were often interchangeable). But that really does not matter. There WERE some PICs that were strong and important. Moreover, it is a mechanism that CAN be used for a registry that does want to make a difference. So I think we need to do all we can to ensure that they stay for the next round(s).

Several people are right that once there, enforcement is important (not for the "spit" ones, but for the relatively few that do have meaning). But that is a more general issue and not purely related to new TLDs.

Alan

At 26/09/2019 11:48 AM, Marita Moll wrote:

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Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue

Primary sources:

*Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019

https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c> *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap... <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap...>

*Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19... <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19...>

*ICANN Application comment form

https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login <https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login>

Secondary sources:

*Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019

www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <x-msg://12/www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.htm>

*Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet

Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019

domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <x-msg://12/domainincite.htm> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage

Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019

domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...>

*.amazon domains are getting closer

Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019

https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are... <https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are...> *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further

Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/ <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/>

*ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment

May 20, 2019

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I agree with Alan and Holy. I don't know if we as ALAC need to take part in this. As Alan mentioned the overall feeling with regard to the .amazon issue was to avoid the " the winner takes it all" situation. However, this issue is far more important to some of us than others, if we cannot all agree on one position then it is better to stay out of it. PICS is a different matter that ALAC in general supports. Hadia From: CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Holly Raiche Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 6:27 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: CPWG Subject: Re: [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] reference list re: amazon PICs I largely agree with Alan on both counts. Amazon is just too hard. I think we have to accept that there are quite legitimate and strongly held views on both sides, so we cannot, in all conscience, say that ALAC favors one view over the other. PICS are different. ALAC strongly supported mandatory PICS and argued for their inclusion into the Registry contract with ICANN so that there would be some mechanism for at least ICANN to monitor (if not enforce) contractual undertakings. (yes it is correct to say that others cannot enforce PICS - the legal explanation is the 3rd party beneficiary rule - only parties to a contract can enforce its terms against the other contracting party - third party beneficiaries cannot). Voluntary PICS are another issue (put bucket and spit into whatever order you choose). Yes, some were important. But if they are to be retained, we need think through how to make them more effective. Holly On Oct 2, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: This message is in reply not only to Marita's message quoted here, but to some of the other replies in this thread as well. The ALAC has largely stayed out of the .amazon issue, and for good reasons: - We are divided - some of our members from the Amazon basin area feel strongly that the company should not have has been granted the domain, others feel strongly that they should - When we did a poll of ALAC members a while ago, the larges sentiment was that there not be one side that wins all and the other gets nothing The PICs are an attempt to ensure that there is not a 100% loser. How well they meet the countries demands and how well they will work is not clear, but I see no reason for the ALAC to get involved in it now. I cannot see us contributing so wisdom from on high which will make everyone agree. Put another way, we will certainly not be a major influence in the outcome, so perhaps (to quote Douglas Adams) it is mostly harmless, but I see no real benefit that justifies the work that would nee to go into it. The conversation went on to PICs in general. I am a strong supporter. The madatory PICs were largely as a result of GAC Advice on sensitive TLDs and they will not go away. That is good, as we strongly supported them. Many voluntary PICs were (to quote Carlton) not worth a warm bucket of spit (or alternatively, a bucket of warm spit - it is unclear which phrase was used first, but thereafter they were often interchangeable). But that really does not matter. There WERE some PICs that were strong and important. Moreover, it is a mechanism that CAN be used for a registry that does want to make a difference. So I think we need to do all we can to ensure that they stay for the next round(s). Several people are right that once there, enforcement is important (not for the "spit" ones, but for the relatively few that do have meaning). But that is a more general issue and not purely related to new TLDs. Alan At 26/09/2019 11:48 AM, Marita Moll wrote: Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue Primary sources: *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board May 15, 2019 https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap... *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19... *ICANN Application comment form https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login Secondary sources: *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019 www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <x-msg://12/www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.htm> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019 domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <x-msg://12/domainincite.htm> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019 domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage<https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...> *.amazon domains are getting closer Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019 https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are... *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/ *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment May 20, 2019 www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/ <x-msg://12/www.circleid.htm> _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hello all, on today's CPWG call, it was suggested that actually providing a response saying we have no consensus on this in our community, is more desirable than seemingly being absent from the debate altogether. Pointing out the lack of consensus in our community is valuable information if only because it removes the point that some will gladly attribute specific points to view to communities that are not represented. As a result, the action item for this was: The ALAC needs to convey that it understands the importance of the Amazon Public Interest Commitments (PICs) 2019 <https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Amaz...> issue and has discussed it at length, but that there is no consensus on the ALAC and in the At-Large Community on the topic. Evin Erdogdu <https://community.icann.org/display/~evin.erdogdu> to check on how to file (informal) comment on the issue (either from Maureen Hilyard <https://community.icann.org/display/~maureen.hilyard> or from staff account). Kindest regards, Olivier p.s. It is also worth re-reading the comment that was made a while ago already on the topic itself, which you can find on the (archived) BestBits Web site and which several LACRALO ALSes signed to. https://bestbits.net/amazon/ On 02/10/2019 11:34, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:

I do agree with you Alan on both the .amazon and the PICs in general It’s clear that we are divided on .amazon (very long discussions and no possible consensus).

Tijani

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Le 2 oct. 2019 à 04:08, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> a écrit :

This message is in reply not only to Marita's message quoted here, but to some of the other replies in this thread as well.

The ALAC has largely stayed out of the .amazon issue, and for good reasons:

- We are divided - some of our members from the Amazon basin area feel strongly that the company should not have has been granted the domain, others feel strongly that they should - When we did a poll of ALAC members a while ago, the larges sentiment was that there not be one side that wins all and the other gets nothing

The PICs are an attempt to ensure that there is not a 100% loser. How well they meet the countries demands and how well they will work is not clear, but I see no reason for the ALAC to get involved in it now. I cannot see us contributing so wisdom from on high which will make everyone agree. Put another way, we will certainly not be a major influence in the outcome, so perhaps (to quote Douglas Adams) it is mostly harmless, but I see no real benefit that justifies the work that would nee to go into it.

The conversation went on to PICs in general. I am a strong supporter. The madatory PICs were largely as a result of GAC Advice on sensitive TLDs and they will not go away. That is good, as we strongly supported them.

Many voluntary PICs were (to quote Carlton) not worth a warm bucket of spit (or alternatively, a bucket of warm spit - it is unclear which phrase was used first, but thereafter they were often interchangeable). But that really does not matter. There WERE some PICs that were strong and important. Moreover, it is a mechanism that CAN be used for a registry that does want to make a difference. So I think we need to do all we can to ensure that they stay for the next round(s).

Several people are right that once there, enforcement is important (not for the "spit" ones, but for the relatively few that do have meaning). But that is a more general issue and not purely related to new TLDs.

Alan

At 26/09/2019 11:48 AM, Marita Moll wrote:

...

Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue

Primary sources:

*Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board  May 15, 2019

https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c

*Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17ap...

*Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19...

*ICANN Application comment form

https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login

Secondary sources:

*Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019

www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html <x-msg://13/www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.htm>

*Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet

Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019

domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet <x-msg://13/domainincite.htm> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage

Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019

domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approv...>

*.amazon domains are getting closer

Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019  

https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are...

*Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further

Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/

*ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment

May 20, 2019

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