April 21, 2015
12:59 p.m.
Good questions Matthew. At present the IANA team is managed by ICANN management and so its own internal management is fairly limited. As an affiliate, the ICANN management will essentially not be there any more, at least not directly. At the same time, because it is a small team relatively speaking, I suspect that the management structure can be small as well as long as it is well defined and avoids single points of failure. As I think about it, I believe that PTI management will not be a hard problem to solve. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Shears [mailto:mshears@cdt.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:16 AM To: Gomes, Chuck; jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board Agree Chuck. The issue is to whom is the IANA functions team accountable - if it is a/the "management team" what entity is that (PTI management team?) and/or who is it comprised of? Thanks. On 4/21/2015 12:53 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote: > In my experience, Boards usually don't have operational management responsibilities although the management team would answer to the Board. I think it is accurate though that the Board will direct management to implement agreed to changes. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org > [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Shears > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 1:00 PM > To: jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board > > Jonathan > > In that regard, one of the questions I think we have to answer is what responsibility does the PTI Board have vis-a-vis the IANA functions team, if any? If there is a management responsibility (and I would assume there is if PTI is the operator) then the PTI Board is more than just a legal function. The IANA team I assume would be accountable to the PTI Board, the PTI Board in turn to the ICANN Board. So, if as a result of the periodic review undertaken by the PRT there are changes that should be implemented in the IANA team or its operations, the PTI Board (as operator) would implement those changes. Seems to me that this points to a PTI Board that has a broader role than just a legal purpose related to the affiliate. > > Matthew > > On 4/20/2015 5:45 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote: >> All, >> >> In thinking about the composition of the board, we need to be clear >> about the purpose or function of the board and what (if any) tasks it >> needs to undertake and or decisions it needs to make. >> >> It is clear to me that it has (at minimum) a legal function but that >> function may well be filled by a minimum board that we previously >> referred to as an internal or insider board. >> >> Are we clear that the PTI board has a function beyond that minimum >> and that the functions we may require it to perform are not already >> to be performed elsewhere? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jonathan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Sullivan [mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com] >> Sent: 20 April 2015 17:36 >> To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org >> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:17:53PM -0400, Avri Doria wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I do not think we should avoid putting some multistakeholder >>> character in the PTI. >> It seems to me that the proposal _is_ multi-stakeholder. There are >> stakes >> -- names, numbers, protocol parameters -- and they're represented. >> >>> IETF laision (are we sure they would agree to this extra level of >>> participation? >>> We should be cautious assigning roles & >>> responsibilities to them >> I agree with this worry and thank you for raising it. One thing >> that's attractive about Milton's proposal, however, is that it simply >> adds a responsibility to a role alredy defined, so we don't have to >> find more volunteers and so on (though we do need to add this to the >> list of things the liaison would have to do). It certainly needs to be confirmed. >> >>> a GAC rep (government particpation) an ALAC (user particpatiion) >> Why? IANA is a clerical job for a specific purpose. What ought the >> GAC or the ALAC have to say about it? By constraining the board to >> this narrow scope of those actually directly affected, we have the >> hope of constraining PTI from becoming the leverage with which to >> force other issues (much as has been done in this process, where the >> entirely clerical IANA job is getting used as the lever to cause ICANN governance changes). >> >>> an ICANN Board rep >> Since the other appointees are already ICANN board members, why is an >> additional one needed? >> >>> If all accepted, that would bring it to 9. >>> Still a small number. >> In my experience, a team of five can make a decision that a group of >> 9 cannot. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> >> -- >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >> _______________________________________________ >> CWG-Stewardship mailing list >> CWG-Stewardship@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CWG-Stewardship mailing list >> CWG-Stewardship@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship > -- > Matthew Shears > Global Internet Policy and Human Rights Center for Democracy & > Technology (CDT) > + 44 (0)771 247 2987 > > _______________________________________________ > CWG-Stewardship mailing list > CWG-Stewardship@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- Matthew Shears Global Internet Policy and Human Rights Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT) + 44 (0)771 247 2987