Great point Mirjana, and agreed. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mirjana Tasic <mirjana.tasic@rnids.rs> wrote:
Dear all,
I think that we have a problem to understand what is tha task of our panel.
It will be helpfull if all memebrs of the panel read again the at the end of the following page
https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Document+Repository
Documents in question
- Generation Panels - Quick Guide Kit <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Generation%20Panel...>
and
- Setting up and Running a Generation Panel <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Setting%20up%20and...>
the second document is translated to several languages.
If we focus on the matter, we might compose Cyrillic GP Panel.
On the other hand , if there is any problems with current MSR, the explanation how MSR is composed could be found at
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en
If someone has need to change anything in MSR he/she should contact Integration panel, and
find the way to submit his/her request for changes.
All MSR versions had public comment periods after announcing the new version, it might be another way to rise the problem.
Best regards Mirjana
On 13.8.2015 16:24, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Hi Vladimir,
If "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments..." modify to "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group group together analyses and helps to formulate such arguments in favour of including..." - it would be more correctly to interests of the all Cyrillic community. Because "tomorrow" might be find arguments for non inclusion in the MSR other code points in the other alphabets. Whether we stand inside?
The such approach requires all members of the Panel to generate the reasons "WHY YES", rather than finding the reasons "WHY NO". It seems to me that it's more subjective for collaboration.
By the way, in Russian the apostrophe use also - КотʼдʼВуар (country), ДʼАртаньян (the hero of "The three Musketeers").
Regards,
Yuri
Thursday, August 13, 2015, 4:39:08 PM, you wrote:
Hi Oleksandr,
I in no way meant that the apostrophe issue is unimportant. What I meant is that it is currently not in the MSR and amending the MSR is not exactly the remit of this group.
It was not included in the MSR intentionally, and not as a result of an oversight. There are multiple materials produced by the Integration Panel that address the reasons why certain characters are included or not included in the MSR.
If somebody (presumably a Ukranian or Belarusian speaking member) does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments - it is then that we as a group will have enough ammunition to pursue MSR amendment. But not before, sorry.
I will be very interested to hear what other group members think.
Thank you,
Vladimir
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Oleksandr Tsaruk < <oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com>oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com> wrote:
2Vladimir
on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ...
I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members!
on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered.
rgrds
Oleksandr
Yours sincerely,
Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D.
2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov < <info@vlad.tel> info@vlad.tel>:
Yuri and All,
On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.
On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.
Thanks,
Vladimir
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov < <yvk@uanic.info> yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by
Vladimir.
2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our
work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language)
3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the
representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the
representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad)
4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)".
Perhaps clear up some additional information.
5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central
Asian region.
I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the
contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation
in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready
again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing
to continue this dialogue in Yerevan?
6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions
for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration
Panel comments.
Regards,
Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards,
Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e.
Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at
12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards,
Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM
To: <CyrillicGP@icann.org>CyrillicGP@icann.org
Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next
week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at
<http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy>http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share
the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards,
Sarmad
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