Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All, Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works. I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that. Regards, Sarmad From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings Dear All, We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday. Best regards, Sarmad
Dear Colleagues, Please, find the comments on comments :) Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions. Regards, Yuri Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
-- З повагою, Голова Регламентного комітету, Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
Dear ALL, Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails): 1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments. Regards, Yuri Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards, Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
-- З повагою, Голова Регламентного комітету, Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
Yuriy, I must clarify my position if the last 6th sentence from your notes has anything to do with me, Mirjana Tasic. " 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments. " I have not proposed anything in relation to MSR -3. All my discussion was in written form, so it could be checked. Once , when our panel would be seated, all the suggestions, proposals, etc will be discussed by panel members, and the panel will decide what will be our next steps. Regards Mirjana Tasi On 12.8.2015 15:24, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues, Please, find the comments on comments :) Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions. Regards, Yuri Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
Yuri and All, On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members. On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group. Thanks, Vladimir On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards, Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
--
З повагою, Голова Регламентного комітету, Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
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2Vladimir on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ... I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members! on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered. rgrds Oleksandr Yours sincerely, Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D. 2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel>:
Yuri and All,
On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.
On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.
Thanks, Vladimir
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards, Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
--
З повагою, Голова Регламентного комітету, Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
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Hi Oleksandr, I in no way meant that the apostrophe issue is unimportant. What I meant is that it is currently not in the MSR and amending the MSR is not exactly the remit of this group. It was not included in the MSR intentionally, and not as a result of an oversight. There are multiple materials produced by the Integration Panel that address the reasons why certain characters are included or not included in the MSR. If somebody (presumably a Ukranian or Belarusian speaking member) does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments - it is then that we as a group will have enough ammunition to pursue MSR amendment. But not before, sorry. I will be very interested to hear what other group members think. Thank you, Vladimir On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Oleksandr Tsaruk < oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com> wrote:
2Vladimir
on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ... I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members!
on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered.
rgrds Oleksandr
Yours sincerely, Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D.
2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel>:
Yuri and All,
On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.
On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.
Thanks, Vladimir
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards, Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
--
З повагою, Голова Регламентного комітету, Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
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Great point Mirjana, and agreed. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mirjana Tasic <mirjana.tasic@rnids.rs> wrote:
Dear all,
I think that we have a problem to understand what is tha task of our panel.
It will be helpfull if all memebrs of the panel read again the at the end of the following page
https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Document+Repository
Documents in question
- Generation Panels - Quick Guide Kit <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Generation%20Panel...>
and
- Setting up and Running a Generation Panel <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Setting%20up%20and...>
the second document is translated to several languages.
If we focus on the matter, we might compose Cyrillic GP Panel.
On the other hand , if there is any problems with current MSR, the explanation how MSR is composed could be found at
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en
If someone has need to change anything in MSR he/she should contact Integration panel, and
find the way to submit his/her request for changes.
All MSR versions had public comment periods after announcing the new version, it might be another way to rise the problem.
Best regards Mirjana
On 13.8.2015 16:24, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Hi Vladimir,
If "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments..." modify to "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group group together analyses and helps to formulate such arguments in favour of including..." - it would be more correctly to interests of the all Cyrillic community. Because "tomorrow" might be find arguments for non inclusion in the MSR other code points in the other alphabets. Whether we stand inside?
The such approach requires all members of the Panel to generate the reasons "WHY YES", rather than finding the reasons "WHY NO". It seems to me that it's more subjective for collaboration.
By the way, in Russian the apostrophe use also - КотʼдʼВуар (country), ДʼАртаньян (the hero of "The three Musketeers").
Regards,
Yuri
Thursday, August 13, 2015, 4:39:08 PM, you wrote:
Hi Oleksandr,
I in no way meant that the apostrophe issue is unimportant. What I meant is that it is currently not in the MSR and amending the MSR is not exactly the remit of this group.
It was not included in the MSR intentionally, and not as a result of an oversight. There are multiple materials produced by the Integration Panel that address the reasons why certain characters are included or not included in the MSR.
If somebody (presumably a Ukranian or Belarusian speaking member) does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments - it is then that we as a group will have enough ammunition to pursue MSR amendment. But not before, sorry.
I will be very interested to hear what other group members think.
Thank you,
Vladimir
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Oleksandr Tsaruk < <oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com>oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com> wrote:
2Vladimir
on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ...
I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members!
on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered.
rgrds
Oleksandr
Yours sincerely,
Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D.
2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov < <info@vlad.tel> info@vlad.tel>:
Yuri and All,
On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.
On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.
Thanks,
Vladimir
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov < <yvk@uanic.info> yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by
Vladimir.
2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our
work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language)
3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the
representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the
representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad)
4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)".
Perhaps clear up some additional information.
5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central
Asian region.
I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the
contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation
in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready
again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing
to continue this dialogue in Yerevan?
6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions
for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration
Panel comments.
Regards,
Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards,
Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e.
Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at
12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards,
Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM
To: <CyrillicGP@icann.org>CyrillicGP@icann.org
Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next
week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at
<http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy>http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share
the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards,
Sarmad
--
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Голова Регламентного комітету,
Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info
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Or we have willing for panel fail among some members. Very best regards! Oleksandr 13 серп. 2015 19:12 "Mirjana Tasic" <mirjana.tasic@rnids.rs> пише:
Dear Yuri,
I am sorry, but,as I can see and feel, we do not have a panel yet, that is main point in this moment..
Regards
Mirjana
On 13.8.2015 18:05, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Dear Mirjana,
Dear ALL,
I sure, no problem with understanding of the procedure of forming and including/excluding the some code points of the MSR and upgrade procedure of the MSR.
A focal point of this topic (point #3) - the policies of the Cyrillic GP on discuss "what the code points should be recommended to include in the MSR by decision of the Panel?"
In particular, we discussed the code point U+02BC - apostrophe for Ukraine/Belarus. But in general the same casus can appear within any Cyrillic alphabet.
And we have two approaches which have small but important differences from each other. I tried describe ones in my email.
All general aims are clear and what/how to finish the "Proposal..." we discussed yesterday.
The organizational tasks were defined and we all waiting for first results.
Meanwhile, we need give own suggestions and propositions on remarks and comments of the IP. It will give us the subject-matter for future work.
Regards,
Yuri
Thursday, August 13, 2015, 6:33:53 PM, you wrote:
Dear all,
I think that we have a problem to understand what is tha task of our panel.
It will be helpfull if all memebrs of the panel read again the at the end of the following page
https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Document+Repository
Documents in question
-
Generation Panels - Quick Guide Kit <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Generation%20Panel...>
and
-
Setting up and Running a Generation Panel <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/43989034/Setting%20up%20and...>
the second document is translated to several languages.
If we focus on the matter, we might compose Cyrillic GP Panel.
On the other hand , if there is any problems with current MSR, the explanation how MSR is composed could be found at
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en
If someone has need to change anything in MSR he/she should contact Integration panel, and
find the way to submit his/her request for changes.
All MSR versions had public comment periods after announcing the new version, it might be another way to rise the problem.
Best regards
Mirjana
On 13.8.2015 16:24, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Hi Vladimir,
If "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments..." modify to "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group group together analyses and helps to formulate such arguments in favour of including..." - it would be more correctly to interests of the all Cyrillic community. Because "tomorrow" might be find arguments for non inclusion in the MSR other code points in the other alphabets. Whether we stand inside?
The such approach requires all members of the Panel to generate the reasons "WHY YES", rather than finding the reasons "WHY NO". It seems to me that it's more subjective for collaboration.
By the way, in Russian the apostrophe use also - КотʼдʼВуар (country), ДʼАртаньян (the hero of "The three Musketeers").
Regards,
Yuri
Thursday, August 13, 2015, 4:39:08 PM, you wrote:
Hi Oleksandr,
I in no way meant that the apostrophe issue is unimportant. What I meant is that it is currently not in the MSR and amending the MSR is not exactly the remit of this group.
It was not included in the MSR intentionally, and not as a result of an oversight. There are multiple materials produced by the Integration Panel that address the reasons why certain characters are included or not included in the MSR.
If somebody (presumably a Ukranian or Belarusian speaking member) does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments - it is then that we as a group will have enough ammunition to pursue MSR amendment. But not before, sorry.
I will be very interested to hear what other group members think.
Thank you,
Vladimir
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Oleksandr Tsaruk < oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com> wrote:
2Vladimir
on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ...
I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members!
on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered.
rgrds
Oleksandr
Yours sincerely,
Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D.
2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel>:
Yuri and All,
On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.
On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.
Thanks,
Vladimir
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by
Vladimir.
2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our
work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language)
3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the
representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the
representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad)
4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)".
Perhaps clear up some additional information.
5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central
Asian region.
I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the
contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation
in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready
again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing
to continue this dialogue in Yerevan?
6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions
for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration
Panel comments.
Regards,
Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards,
Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e.
Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at
12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards,
Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM
To: CyrillicGP@icann.org
Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next
week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at
http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share
the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards,
Sarmad
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Dear all, Listening the discussion about point 4) from the Yuri's email, something came to my mind. Instead of having philosophical discussion about the languages and the scripts which are not in the MSR so far, could we just step on the adopted standards for keyboards? Actually, I would like to know more how this standardisation process is going on and will be so grateful if someone can send me links or information in this concern. Thank you very much in advance Have a good day Nelly On 12 August 2015 at 16:24, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Dear ALL,
Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):
1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by Vladimir. 2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language) 3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad) 4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)". Perhaps clear up some additional information. 5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central Asian region. I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing to continue this dialogue in Yerevan? 6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration Panel comments.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Please, find the comments on comments :)
Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.
Regards, Yuri
Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:
Dear All,
Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e. Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.
I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.
Regards, Sarmad
From: Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM To: CyrillicGP@icann.org Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings
Dear All,
We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share the final date and time this Sunday.
Best regards, Sarmad
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participants (6)
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Mirjana Tasic -
Nelly Stoyanova -
Oleksandr Tsaruk -
Sarmad Hussain -
Vladimir Shadrunov -
Yuriy Kargapolov