Veni, does it mean that ICANN can cover at least his travel expences? On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:
Oksana , just to make sure - we're talking a out engaging him in the ALAC work, not in the governmental one. If he can do both - great. As for Icann, web are working with all stakeholders in the region, so Grigori has our support.
On Thursday, May 23, 2013, EMP wrote:
Dear Roberto,
Thank you very much for your extremely interesting and useful information! Armenian experience really deserves special interest from ICANN!
Last month we organized round table in our Ukrainian ccTLD, and invited Grigory Sagnyan from Armenia for remote participation. He told us a lot about Armenian experience, and in Ukraine there is great interest for it. When we hear about Finnish experience, for example, it seems to us absolutely unachievable. But Armenia has a lot in common with us, and the gap in Internet Governance issues are more obvious. And namely Armenian ISOC Chapter (Igor first of all) is much more easier to understand our problems with our ISOC Chapter formation, than even Jacek.
And it's true not only for Ukraine, but for a lot of other post-Soviet countries. Especially regarding Internet and media literacy. We just discussed this issue with our national regulator on telecommunications, and we really need to work closer with our Armenian colleagues. Especially on cybersecurity issues.
Just now we are working on inviting Grigory to visit Kiev in person. I will discuss this issue next week with our Internews office, but it would be very important, if ICANN will be also engaged in it. Grigory's role in Dubai and in RCC is difficult to overestimate, he has personal contacts with our top officials, and he really has a great potential to influence on Ukrainian position in this sphere.
Roberto, it was extremely important for me to see your understanding of problems with geographical regions. We really have to do anything with it.
Once again - thank you very much!
Best regards, Oksana
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Roberto Gaetano < roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
I took the chance of a non-ICANN-related trip to Caucasus to contact the internet people, and specifically the At-Large structures, in the region.
I was not on any official ICANN mission, but believe that it is worth anyway to write a short report of my contacts and personal considerations.
I am addressing this to different mailing lists with separate messages, to avoid cross-posting.
As reference to earlier discussions, you can see that the issue of ICANN regions has been extensively debated. Follow up contacts have shown that the ccNSO is also not happy about the current subdivision. As for the ASO, because of their special internal structure, they are affected by the regions only when it comes to Board Directors election.
I had a very interesting meeting in Armenia, hosted by ISOC AM, with the Armenian ALSes.
The main points that came out from the discussion were (to the best of my recollection):
. The fact that the development of the internet in Armenia is consistently more advanced than in some neighboring countries (for instance, there are 3 ALSes) depends on a mix of elements, including the presence in Armenia of highly skilled ITC professionals as well as the vision that has identified since the early days the potential of the internet. This experience will be very difficult to replicate in other countries, at least in the short term.
. Thanks to the early vision, Armenia has developed the "multi-stakeholder" concept also in the management of the internet at the national level. The ccTLD operator, the ISPs, the At-Large structures, commercial organizations, the government, are tightly collaborating, and there is also the initiative of a permanent IGF forum in Armenia. This has allowed to have very advanced positions in international fora, where all stakeholders are contributing, and we do not have the situation that can be seen in other countries, where the government is imposing its view.
. Looking at the map of the world, and the location of the ALSes, it appears clearly that there is a wide area, namely the former Soviet Union states in central Asia, where there is no ALAC presence. This is felt to be tightly correlated with the fact that the position that these countries bring in the international debate are only depending on government opinions. In order to promote ICANN's multi-stakeholder approach, ALAC should make an outreach effort to these countries with the objective of gaining members. The general opinion is that this will be a difficult objective to achieve, but nevertheless it is strategically important.
. The current location of Armenia in APRALO is creating serious problems. It should be noted that the Armenian ccTLD operator is a member of CENTR (the European ccTLD operators organization), ISPs are getting their addresses from RIPE (the European Regional addressing organization), but the Armenian ALSes are forced to be associated to APRALO. Considering the point above, i.e. the Armenian multi-stakeholder model that brings together different interests to cooperate at the national level, we have the strange situation that national domain names and IP addresses depend from Europe, while At-Large structures depend from a different region. Moreover, there are at the At-Large level cooperation projects ongoing that are coordinated by the European Union, and the location of Armenia in the AP ICANN region does make little sense, if any. For instance, if EURALO develops itself as the partner of the European Union for such European projects, it would be extremely impractical to have participating ALSes being in a different region. Further considerations have been the location of Armenia in Europe in a number of different international organizations.
. Armenia, being part of the former Soviet Union, has kept a network of contacts at the technical level with other operators that are part of
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