Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team is scheduled for Thursday 23 January 2014 at 1400 UTC Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 16 January 2014 at 1400 UTC: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140116-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>jan The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Wanawit Ahkuputra – Individual Peter Dernbach - IPC Chris Dillon - NCSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Jim Galvin – SSAC Sarmad Hussain – No SOI Yoav Keren – RrSG Pitinan Koarmornpatna – Individual Patrick Lenihan - NCUC Petter Rindforth - IPC Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – No SOI Jennifer Chung - No SOI Peter Green - No SOI Apologies: Ephraim Kenyanito - NCUC ICANN staff: Lars Hoffman Steve Sheng Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16th January 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the T&T PDP Working Group onThursday 16 January 2014 Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi working group Peter Dernbach:Hi everyone. Jennifer Chung:Hello all Peter Green-CONAC:Hi all Amr Elsadr:Hi. I should be on the call now, but can't hear anything. Chris Dillon:Hello, all Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:yes i can hear you Amr Elsadr:Thnx Julia. :) Julia Charvolen:Sure :) Rudi Vansnick:hello all Rudi Vansnick:sorry for being a bit late ;-) Lars Hoffmann:Morning all. Julie will not be joining as you might recall. Should we start the call? Amr Elsadr:Hi Rudi. It doesn't look like we've started yet. Chris Dillon:Let's start Rudi Vansnick:go ahead Chris Julia Charvolen:Steve Sheng joined the phone bridge Peter Dernbach:I updated my SOI Peter Dernbach:I mean I successfully uploaded my SOI Rudi Vansnick:there have been updates doen in the past week I thought Petter Rindforth:can you show page 1 of this again? Rudi Vansnick:sorry i was silent as I was still in another meeting Julia Charvolen:Yoav Keren joined the Adobe Connect Petter Rindforth:yes Yoav Keren:hi all Julia Charvolen:Sarmad Hussain joined the phone bridge Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1 Amr Elsadr:Hey Yoav. Hope you're well. Rudi Vansnick:will be very helpful Rudi Vansnick:we need to decide anyway next week Amr Elsadr:+1 Rudi Vansnick:let's put it on the wiki perhaps Rudi Vansnick:i copied the text into a local notepâd, so eventually i can send it to the list just after the call Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: + 1 Lars Hoffmann 2:Sorry. got dropped off th line. I wanted to add that we can always send out additional letters in case additional questions come up and/or we would like further details from other SG/C or AC/SO Rudi Vansnick:Lars can you put on the list of questions of last week call Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars, but I would recommend we give the WG at least a week after getting an initial draft of the letter to suggest edits. Getting feedback once is sometimes challenging. Asking for a second round of feedback might be quite ambitious. :) Rudi Vansnick:What is contact information (review and expand on the taxonomies noted above)?Why are we doing this?; is this particular feature necessary?Who gets access to what?Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking back to What)?How much would a particular feature cost?When would policy come into effect?What should be mandatory? Lars Hoffmann 2:Thank you Rudi - my internet is rather slow here. Amr Elsadr:Where are these questions on the Wiki? The page for questions and taxonomies appears blank. Rudi Vansnick:Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking back to What)? Lars Hoffmann 2:Finally, staff have created wiki pages for each of the proposed questions. These will be filled in as information is added:1. What is contact information & What Taxonomies are Available?2. Why are we doing this? Is this particular feature necessary?3. Who gets access to what information?4. Who are the stakeholders? Who is affected and what do they want?5. How much would a particular feature cost and how to weigh the costs versus the benefits?6. When would policy come into effect?7. What should be mandatory? Lars Hoffmann 2:Here are the URLs from the questions Rudi Vansnick:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/09+January+2014 Lars Hoffmann 2:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769 Lars Hoffmann 2:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960108 Lars Hoffmann 2:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960114 Peter Dernbach:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769 Amr Elsadr:Ah..., thanks Rudi. Peter Dernbach:+1 Sarmad Hussain: cost of T&T depends on accuracy requirements Rudi Vansnick:Jim do you have any information to add to the stakeholders definition ? Sarmad Hussain:so as a precursor we need to determine what level of accuracy is needed Amr Elsadr:@Sarmad: accuracy requirements depend on some RAA specs like validation. Sarmad Hussain:do RAAs have any specs on T&T validation? Amr Elsadr:Not specific to T&T, but validation of contact info in the whois. Sarmad Hussain:their requirements are mostly on original lang data validation Jim Galvin:@rudi not at this time Lars Hoffmann 2:FYI - i just updated the question page:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960091 Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. Amr Elsadr:Yes Chris..., very true. The WG could recommend that it is not desirable to have a policy requiring T&T. Amr Elsadr:I agree Chris. :) Amr Elsadr:I wouldn't mind discussions that would lead to me changing my mind though. :) WANAWIT Ahkuputra:Fully agree on the GAC role regaridng that issue Peter Dernbach:I agree on trying to solicit opinions from GAC. Rudi Vansnick:exactly Lars, we need to have a small slot to discuss this with GAC Rudi Vansnick:in Singapore Sarmad Hussain:+1 on GAC role Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 on GAC role Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. Perhaps a customized letter to the GAC asking for individual responses from GAC members. Sarmad Hussain:+1 on discussion with GAC in sg Amr Elsadr:And wouldn't the NSO be covered in the regular AC/SO letter? Peter Dernbach:@ Amr +1 re: requesting individual responses WANAWIT Ahkuputra:I could help in laise and explain to GAC members. Amr Elsadr:Thanks Wanawit. Rudi Vansnick:what about other stakeholders ? Peter Dernbach:Thanks Wanawit. Lars Hoffmann 2:@Amr - i think that is great idea. and the NSP would be covered too. But again they do not always provide coordinated feedback, so reaching out to individual NSO members might be very useful too. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:additional to that , for the Thai GAC team, we actually in the process to make paper regarding to this will share with the WG soon, probably before the next meeting for the Thai Addressing System Lars Hoffmann 2:GNSO Staff could also reach out to both NSO and GAC staff, if you think tha tmight be useful Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. That sounds great. Amr Elsadr:There are ongoing attempts between the gnso council and GAC to increase early participation in the GNSO's PDP. This WG might make for an interesting case study. Lars Hoffmann 2:@Amr - i think the Policy and Implementation Working Group has also already tried to do some more targetted outreach to the GAC so we could compare notes with that Group on their approach/success too. Petter Rindforth:I can reach out to FICPI - intl IP-attorney organization, just to get their inputs Amr Elsadr:@Lars: right you are. There are some GAC members who are on that WG who are also trying to help. Rudi Vansnick:there is a GNSO call next week, we could launch the question in that meeting WANAWIT Ahkuputra:UPU - Universal Postal Union and UNGEGN - United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names are impotant stake holder that relate to the address system Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Probably not the forum for this, although the WG liaison to the council could bring up that atteptes are being made to get GAC feedback. Lars Hoffmann 2:I think you are right, Amr Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: we can ask our NCSG councillors to add this question to the meeting Amr Elsadr:Lars posted the questions on number "4". :) Amr Elsadr:Names also affect addresses in Arabic, because most street names (at least in Egypt) are named after people. Peter Green-CONAC:In Chinese, we also have names of streets named after a person's name Rudi Vansnick:i'm just wondering how some registrars are handling these problems when they register a domain name in the actual whois Rudi Vansnick:they have to translate anyway Peter Dernbach:Thank you Chris and all! Lars Hoffmann 2:due to my travels i might send actions items and other information late on friday or early on monday. i hope that is ok. Amr Elsadr:thanks Chris and Rudi. Thanks everyone. Peter Green-CONAC:Thanks Chris, and thanks all Lars Hoffmann 2:thanks everybody! Jim Galvin:thx and bye Peter Green-CONAC:bye Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks Christ and all , bye Jennifer Chung:Thank you all! WANAWIT Ahkuputra:Thanks Chris and All Sawasdee Julia Charvolen:Recordings are stopped Chris Dillon:Goodbye, all Rudi Vansnick:see you all next week ! Rudi Vansnick:enjoy the rest of the week