Steve, Thanks for sharing the document. It’s a good place to start the scoping exercise. I made a few suggestions and added more detail, as comments, for your consideration. @Steve, I feel that I need to inform myself about GNSO processes, for example the difference between a PDP and a EWG…. Could you share some resources that I can use for self-education. Thanks! Best, Dennis From: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 7:03 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Michele Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group Hello All, As there are now new members on this small team, staff wanted to re-share a draft options paper that we have prepared to hopefully help kick this group off on its scoping work. We are not experts on this subject by any means, so hopefully we were able to capture the various issues properly, the requests from the Board, as well as some of the options that this group could recommend to the Council as a next step to address these issues from a substantive perspective: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o_9bfnkKufrSxiJGxpNcOcfTK2VLWp5XYQvwe5qx.... While this document was shared before, I’ve made a handful of additions in suggestion mode. Best, Steve From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 3:22 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org>, "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group I’d like to formally nominate Edmon to be our leader, assuming he’s happy to take the lead on this. I second. My understanding, which may not be correct, is that there are several topics or streams involving IDNs that we are expected to look at. They were all lumped into one bucket, but my understanding is that they are probably better dealt with by topic or stream. Yes. Several topics; some are independent, but some intersect. For example, the management of variant domains is a common topic in the TLD framework as well as in the IDN guidelines, albeit some scope differences. The TLD framework being more detailed than the Guidelines. Dennis Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ [blacknight.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_&d=D...> https://blacknight.blog/ [blacknight.blog]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DwMG...> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ [michele.blog]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__michele.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&...> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ [ceo.hosting]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DwMGaQ&c...> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-council-IDN-scoping <gnso-council-idn-scoping-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-council-idn-scoping-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Steve Chan via gnso-council-IDN-scoping <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org<mailto:gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org>> Reply to: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> Date: Friday 12 July 2019 at 00:12 To: "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org<mailto:gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org>" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org<mailto:gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org>> Subject: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group Hello All, The email list for this small team has been created, as requested. Currently subscribed, we have Maxim Alzoba, Rubens Kuhl, Philippe Fouquart, Michele Neylon, Edmon Chung, Dennis Tan, as well as Keith, Pam, and Rafik from Council Leadership. Council leadership has not yet officially launched a call for non-Council volunteers (expect early next week), but you will see Edmon and Dennis have already requested to be added. It might be premature to try and identify a lead for this team, since its ranks may expand, but it may still be good to consider if any of you would like to volunteer. Michele unofficially nominated Edmon! Best, Steve Steven Chan
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Hi Dennis, Just realized I neglected to respond to your note at the bottom of your message. First, as far as I understand, the EWG is not a defined mechanism in any ICANN documentation, but it has traditionally been utilized as an expertise-laden group that helps with laying the foundation ahead of potential policy development. I think why the idea of an EWG was even brought up is because of the emphasis on expertise, but the foundation seems to already be there for IDNs in this case, so from that perspective, an EWG might not be the most sensible option. The PDP Manual (https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-2-pd...) provides a good deal of flexibility in charter drafting and composition of the WG, which could potentially include rules around membership (e.g., something other than open). Beyond the WG membership itself, the PDP Manual also notes that: “Once formed, the PDP Team is responsible for engaging in the collection of information. If deemed appropriate or helpful by the PDP Team, the PDP Team may solicit the opinions of outside advisors, experts, or other members of the public,” so the expertise of the WG membership can be supplemented with additional expertise. Hope this is helpful. Best, Steve From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 11:38 AM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org>, "michele@blacknight.com" <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: Re: Re: [Ext] Re: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group Steve, Thanks for sharing the document. It’s a good place to start the scoping exercise. I made a few suggestions and added more detail, as comments, for your consideration. @Steve, I feel that I need to inform myself about GNSO processes, for example the difference between a PDP and a EWG…. Could you share some resources that I can use for self-education. Thanks! Best, Dennis From: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 7:03 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Michele Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group Hello All, As there are now new members on this small team, staff wanted to re-share a draft options paper that we have prepared to hopefully help kick this group off on its scoping work. We are not experts on this subject by any means, so hopefully we were able to capture the various issues properly, the requests from the Board, as well as some of the options that this group could recommend to the Council as a next step to address these issues from a substantive perspective: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o_9bfnkKufrSxiJGxpNcOcfTK2VLWp5XYQvwe5qx... [docs.google.com]. While this document was shared before, I’ve made a handful of additions in suggestion mode. Best, Steve From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 3:22 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org>, "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group I’d like to formally nominate Edmon to be our leader, assuming he’s happy to take the lead on this. I second. My understanding, which may not be correct, is that there are several topics or streams involving IDNs that we are expected to look at. They were all lumped into one bucket, but my understanding is that they are probably better dealt with by topic or stream. Yes. Several topics; some are independent, but some intersect. For example, the management of variant domains is a common topic in the TLD framework as well as in the IDN guidelines, albeit some scope differences. The TLD framework being more detailed than the Guidelines. Dennis Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ [blacknight.com] https://blacknight.blog/ [blacknight.blog] Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ [michele.blog] Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ [ceo.hosting] ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-council-IDN-scoping <gnso-council-idn-scoping-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Steve Chan via gnso-council-IDN-scoping <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Reply to: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Date: Friday 12 July 2019 at 00:12 To: "gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org" <gnso-council-idn-scoping@icann.org> Subject: [GNSO-Council-IDN-Scoping] GNSO - IDN Scoping Group Hello All, The email list for this small team has been created, as requested. Currently subscribed, we have Maxim Alzoba, Rubens Kuhl, Philippe Fouquart, Michele Neylon, Edmon Chung, Dennis Tan, as well as Keith, Pam, and Rafik from Council Leadership. Council leadership has not yet officially launched a call for non-Council volunteers (expect early next week), but you will see Edmon and Dennis have already requested to be added. It might be premature to try and identify a lead for this team, since its ranks may expand, but it may still be good to consider if any of you would like to volunteer. Michele unofficially nominated Edmon! Best, Steve Steven Chan
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