Hi Barry, this should be seen in the context of the demands for differentiation based upon use of the website, i.e. transactional vs. non-transactional. Whois has no additional benefit for domains used for websites where the ownership information has to be displayed anyway. Hence privacy is more than appropriate for such domains. Volker Am 18.08.2015 um 19:50 schrieb Barry Shein:
On August 18, 2015 at 15:26 vgreimann@key-systems.net (Volker Greimann) wrote:
So there is absolutely no need for whois in Europe.
(IF the domain is associated with a website?)
So make WHOIS just a DNS record maintained by the domain owner however they see fit, or not.
If someone finds that inadequate they can proceed with whatever they would do to obtain customer records from any company in any situation such as request the records from the source.
For DNS that's a registrar or ICANN, but for a phone number for example that would be the phone company or source of the phone number -- if found in a newspaper ask the newspaper if they have more contact information for an advertiser and would they be willing to share that information.
Other sources likely exist, try googling the domain name for its owner or search sources such as corporate listings or legal cases.
And if that response is inadequate to their needs seek authority from a court of competent jurisdiction or similar (trade regulator, etc.) to compel disclosure from whomever one sees as a potentially productive source.
I keep coming back to the question of what are the use cases for WHOIS?
Not just "to find the owner of a domain", but for what purposes and how and why that should be supported? And to what level of (enforced) quality?
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