Ro clarify the meanings of the terms Relay and Reveal, as used in the GNSO's Terms of Reference for a proposed Privacy & Proxy Relay & Reveal Study (dating from 2010): * For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy/Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS- published addresses. Instead, communication relay requests may be sent to the Privacy/Proxy service provider published in WHOIS, or attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites or communications associated with the domain. * For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder's identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically only be identified by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee's identity, given reasonable evidence of actionable harm. FYI these were the definitions we used in for this WG's outreach letters to the SO/AC/SG/Cs recently. As some WG members know, the proposed Study was not done; instead, a Pre-Feasibility Survey for such a study was performed by Interisle Consulting, whose report in August 2012 has the following usages: * For Relay Handling - For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy- or Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS-published addresses. Instead, communication with the Registered Name Holder may be attempted by sending a request to the Privacy or Proxy service provider published in WHOIS to relay the message to theRegistered Name Holder or third party licensee. Communication may also be attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites, or communications associated with the domain. * For Reveal Handling - For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder¹s identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically be identified only by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee¹s identity. I hope the above helps clarify the two terms. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org * One World. One Internet. * From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:20 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... n.htm#privacy-proxy
J.
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
So it¹s not in the RAA then is it?
Regards
Michele
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From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.
Best regards,
Marika
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Gema
Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?
I¹m looking at the 2013 RAA¹s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.
Regards
Michele
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From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines ³relay² and in a very confusing way, mixing it with ³reveal².
5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term¹s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential ³harms² could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.
So, I insist definitions of ³relay², ³reveal² and ³publication² are included in the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.
Thank you again and best regards,
Gema
De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Dear Gema,
I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).
Best regards,
Marika
From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Dear Marika,
Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper, there is a reference to the ³Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).², but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?
Thank you so much,
Gema