Am I correct in assuming that the following snippet from the 2013 agreement is (also) undefined: and the identity of the licensee When are we going to define what we mean by that? Stephanie Perrin On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:

RAA Section 3.7.7.3 can be a bit of a lightning rod and is often applied to P/P situations (and daily efforts to incorrectly extend it to things like spam, gambling, hate speech, cyberbullying, etc.) I think it is too broad for our purposes.

Thanks—

J.

From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:14 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, I found this language in the 2001 RAA:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

And in the 2009 RAA:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

And the 2013 RAA:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

Presumably that is the provision referenced?

Marika

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 15:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

So it’s not in the RAA then is it?

Regards

Michele

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From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.

Best regards,

Marika

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Gema

Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?

I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.

Regards

Michele

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From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”.

5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term’s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.

So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.

Thank you again and best regards,

Gema

De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Gema,

I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).

Best regards,

Marika

From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Marika,

Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?

Thank you so much,

Gema

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Ro clarify the meanings of the terms Relay and Reveal, as used in the GNSO's Terms of Reference for a proposed Privacy & Proxy Relay & Reveal Study (dating from 2010): * For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy/Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS- published addresses. Instead, communication relay requests may be sent to the Privacy/Proxy service provider published in WHOIS, or attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites or communications associated with the domain. * For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder's identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically only be identified by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee's identity, given reasonable evidence of actionable harm. FYI these were the definitions we used in for this WG's outreach letters to the SO/AC/SG/Cs recently. As some WG members know, the proposed Study was not done; instead, a Pre-Feasibility Survey for such a study was performed by Interisle Consulting, whose report in August 2012 has the following usages: * For Relay Handling - For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy- or Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS-published addresses. Instead, communication with the Registered Name Holder may be attempted by sending a request to the Privacy or Proxy service provider published in WHOIS to relay the message to theRegistered Name Holder or third party licensee. Communication may also be attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites, or communications associated with the domain. * For Reveal Handling - For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder¹s identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically be identified only by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee¹s identity. I hope the above helps clarify the two terms. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org * One World. One Internet. * From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:20 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... n.htm#privacy-proxy

J.

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

So it¹s not in the RAA then is it?

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.

Best regards,

Marika

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Gema

Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?

I¹m looking at the 2013 RAA¹s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines ³relay² and in a very confusing way, mixing it with ³reveal².

5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term¹s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential ³harms² could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.

So, I insist definitions of ³relay², ³reveal² and ³publication² are included in the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.

Thank you again and best regards,

Gema

De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Gema,

I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents ­ see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).

Best regards,

Marika

From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Marika,

Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper, there is a reference to the ³Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).², but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?

Thank you so much,

Gema

Gema, Thanks. We need to try to resolve the 3.7.7.3 questions but focusing on the P/p specification will be more productive in general as we continue. Don From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:26 PM To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, James Blaidel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, Michele Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal I think I have found a definition to make do with, at the P&P Specification at the RAA: Terms of service and description of procedures. The P/P Provider shall publish on its website and/or Registrar’s website a copy of the P/P Provider service agreement and description of P/P Provider’s procedures for handling the following: 2.4.1 The process or facilities to report abuse of a domain name registration managed by the P/P Provider; 2.4.2 The process or facilities to report infringement of trademarks or other rights of third parties; 2.4.3 The circumstances under which the P/P Provider will relay communications from third parties to the P/P Customer; 2.4.4 The circumstances under which the P/P Provider will terminate service to the P/P Customer; 2.4.5 The circumstances under which the P/P Provider will reveal and/or publish in the Registration Data Service (Whois) or equivalent service the P/P Customer’s identity and/or contact data; and 2.4.6 A description of the support services offered by P/P Providers to P/P Customers, and how to access these services. Cheers, Gema De: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 15:30 Para: James M. Bladel; Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria CC: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Asunto: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Ro clarify the meanings of the terms Relay and Reveal, as used in the GNSO's Terms of Reference for a proposed Privacy & Proxy Relay & Reveal Study (dating from 2010): ? For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy/Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS- published addresses. Instead, communication relay requests may be sent to the Privacy/Proxy service provider published in WHOIS, or attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites or communications associated with the domain. ? For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder's identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically only be identified by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee's identity, given reasonable evidence of actionable harm. FYI these were the definitions we used in for this WG's outreach letters to the SO/AC/SG/Cs recently. As some WG members know, the proposed Study was not done; instead, a Pre-Feasibility Survey for such a study was performed by Interisle Consulting, whose report in August 2012 has the following usages: * For Relay Handling - For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy- or Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached directly via WHOIS-published addresses. Instead, communication with the Registered Name Holder may be attempted by sending a request to the Privacy or Proxy service provider published in WHOIS to relay the message to theRegistered Name Holder or third party licensee. Communication may also be attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites, or communications associated with the domain. * For Reveal Handling - For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder’s identity is published directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically be identified only by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee’s identity. I hope the above helps clarify the two terms. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> * One World. One Internet. * From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:20 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... J. From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal So it’s not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”. 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term’s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg). Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up? Thank you so much, Gema

Hi Margie, as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services. Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam:

All-

I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

Margie

*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *James M. Bladel *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13...

J.

*From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

So it's not in the RAA then is it?

Regards

Michele

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Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763

Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon

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Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty

Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

*From:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.

Best regards,

Marika

*From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 *To: *"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Gema

Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?

I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.

Regards

Michele

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Blacknight Solutions

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http://www.blacknight.co/

http://blog.blacknight.com/

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Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty

Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM *To:* Marika Konings *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal".

5) Relay Information Requests

See study # 20 for this term's use in context.

Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of

actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and

others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the

domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property

rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the

relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of

communicating with their domain licensees.*The ICANN Registrar Accreditation*

*Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee*

*upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.*

So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.

Thank you again and best regards,

Gema

*De:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] *Enviado el:* martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 *Para:* Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Asunto:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Gema,

I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents -- see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).

Best regards,

Marika

*From: *"<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> *Subject: *definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Marika,

Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?

Thank you so much,

Gema

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Hi Volker & All- I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of the previous versions. However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that uses the term "licensee" in the context of proxy registration services: 3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with such Proxy Accreditation Program. Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Hi Margie, as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services. Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam: All- I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... J. From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal So it's not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal". 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term's use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents - see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg). Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. 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I get more baffled as we go with this thread. How would the beneficial holder of a domain be in a license arrangement with a p/p provider? I can’t see it under any definition of the term “license” that I have seen. Examples welcome for educational purposes but the final word won’t be up to the WG. We will pull the points made in this thread and use them to frame our questions for GC. Don From: Margie Milam <Margie.Milam@icann.org<mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>>, PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Also— the P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to licensee: 1.1 "P/P Customer" means, regardless of the terminology used by the P/P Provider, the licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services All the best, Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Margie Milam Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM To: Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Hi Volker & All- I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of the previous versions. However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that uses the term “licensee” in the context of proxy registration services: 3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with such Proxy Accreditation Program. Margie From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Hi Margie, as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services. Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam: All- I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. Margie From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... J. From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal So it’s not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”. 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term’s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg). Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. 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Hi Margie, as the terms license, licensee or licensed are not capitalized, we cannot infer that both sections actually mean the same thing. Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:55, schrieb Margie Milam:

Don & All-

Maybe this will help clear up the confusion- from the definition of Proxy Service under the 2013 RAA Spec:

1.3 "Proxy Service" is a service through which a Registered Name Holder licenses use of a Registered Name to the P/P Customer in order to provide the P/P Customer use of the domain name, and the Registered Name Holder's contact information is displayed in the Registration Data Service (Whois) or equivalent services rather than the P/P Customer's contact information.

All the best,

Margie

*From:*Don Blumenthal [mailto:dblumenthal@pir.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* Margie Milam; Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

I get more baffled as we go with this thread. How would the beneficial holder of a domain be in a license arrangement with a p/p provider? I can't see it under any definition of the term "license" that I have seen. Examples welcome for educational purposes but the final word won't be up to the WG. We will pull the points made in this thread and use them to frame our questions for GC.

Don

*From: *Margie Milam <Margie.Milam@icann.org <mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM *To: *Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>>, PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Also--- the P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to licensee:

1.1"P/P Customer" means, regardless of the terminology used by the P/P Provider, the licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services

All the best,

Margie

*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Margie Milam *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM *To:* Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Hi Volker & All-

I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of the previous versions.

However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that uses the term "licensee" in the context of proxy registration services:

3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with such Proxy Accreditation Program.

Margie

*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Volker Greimann *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Hi Margie,

as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services.

Volker

Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam:

All-

I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

Margie

*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *James M. Bladel *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13...

J.

*From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

So it's not in the RAA then is it?

Regards

Michele

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*From:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.

Best regards,

Marika

*From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com <mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 *To: *"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> *Subject: *RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Gema

Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?

I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.

Regards

Michele

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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM *To:* Marika Konings *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal".

5) Relay Information Requests

See study # 20 for this term's use in context.

Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of

actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and

others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the

domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property

rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the

relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of

communicating with their domain licensees.*The ICANN Registrar Accreditation*

*Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee*

*upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.*

So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.

Thank you again and best regards,

Gema

*De:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] *Enviado el:* martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 *Para:* Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria *Asunto:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Gema,

I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents -- see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).

Best regards,

Marika

*From: *"<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org <mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> *Subject: *definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Marika,

Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?

Thank you so much,

Gema

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Again, IMHO, 3.7.7.3 was left in the RAA because it does not necessarily refer to P/P services (which now has its own specification). Any registrant may license a domain name to someone else to use and have no intention of operating a p/p service. If so, this clause informs them (because it has to be in our registration agreements) that they have certain obligations. I don't believe this clause is any part of what we are here to do. If once we are done Registrars, Board, or Staff have concerns about this clause then that may become a topic for the next round of RAA negotiations. Tim On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:31 AM, "Margie Milam" <Margie.Milam@icann.org<mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org>> wrote: Also— the P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to licensee: 1.1 "P/P Customer" means, regardless of the terminology used by the P/P Provider, the licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services All the best, Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Margie Milam Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM To: Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Hi Volker & All- I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of the previous versions. However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that uses the term “licensee” in the context of proxy registration services: 3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with such Proxy Accreditation Program. Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Hi Margie, as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services. Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam: All- I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. Margie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13... J. From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal So it’s not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. 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Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg). Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. 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I agree with Luc and Tim - and some of the other comments on the list. From memory, the purpose of clause 3.7.7.3 was to say that SOMEONE has to be responsible for a domain name, regardless of whether they are accredited under the Specification (and resultant documentation) or not. So for Luc, I don't imagine that he will have 'licensed' the domain name for his aunt. He was simply being a kind nephew - well done. But if his aunt goes on a hijacking spree, then Luc is in the frame, unless he reveals all of his aunt's contact details and lets the relevant authorities take action against his aunt. The purpose of the clause at the higher level - to ensure that someone takes responsibility and, if they won't reveal contact details, then they should take the rap and, I think we would argue, stop the use of that domain name by the miscreant. That does two things - it protects privacy since the party's details don't have to be revealed. But if they aren't revealed, then they are stopped. So the big tasks ahead include determining what the specification means by 'accrediting' a p/p service (acknowledging that they may be defined differently, with commensurate requirements), acknowledging that anyone (including those outside of accredited parties) who does let someone else use 'their' name (they being the registered name holder) are nevertheless responsible. Now to start work on both what is/are a p/p service(s) and what the tests should be for an 'accreditation'. Holly On 12/02/2014, at 4:42 AM, Luc SEUFER wrote:

I have the exact same opinion as Tim regarding this clause.

As a matter of fact, my aunt is a licensee of a domain name that I have registered for her and for which I am the registrant in the whois database. By doing so I had/have no intention of acting as a p/p provider, but merely to appoint as registrant a tad more knowledgeable person than my aunt for technical matters. i.e. if she got the email address based on this domain name hacked and you would like to inform her, I am certain you will prefer to speak to me.

Luc

On Feb 11, 2014, at 18:09, Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com>> wrote:

Again, IMHO, 3.7.7.3 was left in the RAA because it does not necessarily refer to P/P services (which now has its own specification). Any registrant may license a domain name to someone else to use and have no intention of operating a p/p service. If so, this clause informs them (because it has to be in our registration agreements) that they have certain obligations.

I don't believe this clause is any part of what we are here to do. If once we are done Registrars, Board, or Staff have concerns about this clause then that may become a topic for the next round of RAA negotiations.

Tim

On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:31 AM, "Margie Milam" <Margie.Milam@icann.org<mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org>> wrote:

Also— the P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to licensee:

1.1 "P/P Customer" means, regardless of the terminology used by the P/P Provider, the licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services

All the best,

Margie

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Margie Milam Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM To: Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Hi Volker & All-

I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of the previous versions.

However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that uses the term “licensee” in the context of proxy registration services:

3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with such Proxy Accreditation Program.

Margie

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Hi Margie,

as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy services.

Volker Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam: All-

I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below:

3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.

Margie

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13...

J.

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

So it’s not in the RAA then is it?

Regards

Michele

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From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.

Best regards,

Marika

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Gema

Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?

I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.

Regards

Michele

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From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”.

5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term’s use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.

So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.

Thank you again and best regards,

Gema

De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Gema,

I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).

Best regards,

Marika

From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Dear Marika,

Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?

Thank you so much,

Gema

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