I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement. As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing. In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all quite different in their response. I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about 15 minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who could be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were horribly embarrassed. Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally rather than speculate? So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression is that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged. A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and wield the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately trying to support. Sorry, I'll go back to lurking. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*