Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 16 December 2014 at 15:00 UTC. at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20141216-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Val Sherman – IPC Theo Geurts - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Bladel – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Alex Deacon – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Phil Corwin – BC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Vicky Scheckler – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Christian Dawson-ISPCP Carlton Samuels – ALAC Michele Neylon – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Phil Marano - IPC Todd Williams – IPC David Cake – NCSG David Heasley - IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG David Hughes - IPC Apologies : Lindsay Hamilton-Reid- RrSG Richard Leaning – no SOI Paul McGrady – IPC Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC Marika Konings ICANN staff: Mary Wong Daniela Andela Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 16 December 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 16 December 2014 Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all Kathy:Hi All -- on a completely different note, I wanted to share that my documentary (on the ENIAC Programmers) "played the White House" last Wednesday -- as part of the First Computer Science Film Festival :-) Kathy:No Presidential participation -- but lots of students! Theo Geurts:cool Bladel::( steve metalitz:Note that regrets also received from Paul McGrady Nathalie Peregrine:noted, thanks Kathy:We're not meeting next week, are we? Nathalie Peregrine:Vicky Scheckler joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:you all have scrolling rights now Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake Nathalie Peregrine:has joined the cal Stephanie Perrin:& Kathy, Wow, congratulations! Nathalie Peregrine:Graeme, i have now promoted you to presented, you can scroll now and all should see Kristina Rosette:Apologies for being late. Needed a few minutes to decompress after my 2 hour commute! Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge val sherman:Kathy - -that's great. Congrats! Nathalie Peregrine:all have scrolling rights now Kathy:@Kristina - 2 hours? It is bumper to bumper out there (DC)? Kathy:Is it? Kathy:@Mary - I like that clarification Kristina Rosette:@Kathy. Yes. Water main break on 12th Street, flooded Metro Center, shut down orange-blue-silver lines (so everyone from VA drove) and then 12th closed between E &F. Michele Neylon:oh lovely Kathy:@Kristina - yikes! Nathalie Peregrine:Apologies from Kiran Malancharuvil Nathalie Peregrine:Don Blumenthal has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call Carlton Samuels:Morning all Nathalie Peregrine:Please all MUTE phones and mics as we are getting an echo. Nathalie Peregrine:If you are listening via the audio bridge, please mute your computer speakers. Kristina Rosette:Could we flag this definition as a point on which we specifically seek community input (when the report goes out for public comment)? Kathy:Let's try this: Persistent Failure of Delivery = a technical failure of delivery over a period of time after which the system stops trying to deliver? Michele Neylon:Kristina +1 Michele Neylon:that would help steve metalitz:+1 Kristina val sherman:+1 Bladel:Sounds good. I think the key is for a provider to be aware that delivery failed or was abandoned due to excessive attempts. Michele Neylon:I like community input Don Blumenthal:I thought I was. I can hear but I guess that the mic isn't working. Nathalie Peregrine:Don, can we dial out to you? Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy steve metalitz:James' point is already in the text -- "that the provider becomes aware of." Kathy:@Steve, agreed, but we should also include it with the def of technical failure since the def is really two parts: the technical failure + knowledge of it by P/P (I would put both in the new footnote) Bladel:"Reasonable limits on repeated duplicate requests." Don Blumenthal:My hand was up as a polite way to see if I got the mic to work. No luck. steve metalitz:+1 James on reasonable limits Bladel:There should probably be an "or" bweteen "repeated" and "duplicate" Bladel:Apologies for that. Also, I'll need to drop at 9:30CST, so thanks folks. Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy on need to there being two parts - technical and knowledge of failure Kathy:should/must -> public comment? Todd Williams:+1 Steve Kristina Rosette:+1 to steve val sherman:+ 1 Steve Michele Neylon:+1 Kathy Darcy Southwell:+1 to Kathy steve metalitz:"should" is not a minimum standard, it's a recommendation Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:trying to find course of echo Graeme Bunton:Could you elaborate Kathy? val sherman:How would these be enforceable if these were merely recommendations? Kristina Rosette:@Val: They wouldn't be. That's the problem. Michele Neylon:suggesting that we get input during a public comment period is not deferring Michele Neylon:it's simply moving forward val sherman:How would these standards be enforceable if they were mere recommendations? Graeme Bunton:So, email or form failed, then Providers must use phone or physical mail to forward escalation? Holly Raiche:I think it should be must - recognising that the requirement is to make the effort to contact and accepting that contact may not necessarily be made val sherman:Sorry for duplicate comments -- also having issues with Adobe Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - I don't think we have agreed on what method is to be used if email contact fails - maybe that is what we seek comment on Michele Neylon:Holly - I'd prefer it were left open Graeme Bunton:Was just pondering what other methods would be at our disposal Michele Neylon:ie. if I want to ring them, send them a letter or drive to their house Michele Neylon:I should be able to choose what method works best for me Holly Raiche:@ Michael - I don't think we are trying to determine what method is used - that should be left open. The question is between saying an attempt must be made doing something differently to try to make contact Graeme Bunton:no disagreement on provider selection, Michele Holly Raiche:Provider selection isn't the issue - I see that as a given. The issue for Steve is whether or not an attempt should or must be made Susan Kawaguchi:If the current process for de-accreditatin ofregistrars works well then I think we should not reinvent the wheel steve metalitz:+1 Holly "provider selection" of the means of alternative relay is in the text already Holly Raiche:@ Michele - apologies for the misspelling - it's 0250 here Kathy:In general, I think there are points newly added in this doc that I would like some time to think about... Kristina Rosette:+1 to Michele and Susan Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy - spend time on the next calll - next week?? val sherman:pick up? Nathalie Peregrine:trying to find the noisy line Michele Neylon:lol Graeme Bunton:Hooray! Stephanie Perrin:Sorry lost sound, hope we are returning to theseissues next week steve metalitz:+1 on "general recommendation" Nathalie Peregrine:AC audio is still running Michele Neylon:I need to drop Michele Neylon:have yet another call now Carlton Samuels:Talk to all of you anon. Bye