Don and PPSAI Team: We have also explored this internally, and the short story is that it isn't acceptable to our customers. Especially those holding large portfolios of domains for investment, as it is too easy to cross-reference a Unique ID to compile the entire portfolio, which would otherwise be private. Similarly, if someone purchases a domain name from a P/P customer, then they immediately know the identity for all private domains associated with the same Unique ID. Happy to discuss further on our next call, especially if you believe it will come up again in Public Comments. But generally, this concept of "Privacy Lite" is a non-starter for us.... Thanks-- J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Don Blumenthal <dblumenthal@pir.org<mailto:dblumenthal@pir.org>> wrote: I gave a presentation at this week's conference in Boston. It was a something of a 20 minute version of the ICANN All Things WHOIS program, although with fewer topics and a focus on details that were most likely to be of interest to the anti abuse community. Four people raised the same suggestion either before the session or during Q/A: Require providers to assign unique IDs to their customers so that we can identify the p/p registrations held by a given entity even if we don't know who is it. We can explore the idea or not, but I am certain that it will be suggested in public comments to our draft report. FWIW, the suggesters (word?) aren't affiliated and were an international group. Don _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg

Hi Don, would that be a unique ID per registration or per registrant? The first is easy and many already providers do this, the latter is very cumbersome. Best, Volker Am 24.10.2014 17:30, schrieb Don Blumenthal:

I gave a presentation at this week's conference in Boston. It was a something of a 20 minute version of the ICANN All Things WHOIS program, although with fewer topics and a focus on details that were most likely to be of interest to the anti abuse community.

Four people raised the same suggestion either before the session or during Q/A: Require providers to assign unique IDs to their customers so that we can identify the p/p registrations held by a given entity even if we don't know who is it.

We can explore the idea or not, but I am certain that it will be suggested in public comments to our draft report. FWIW, the suggesters (word?) aren't affiliated and were an international group.

Don

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Actually if you expressly state on whois that the IDs are randomized daily it would not make a jot of difference. As the requester would still have to provide the domain name, and to the PP provider thats really all they need to assist the requester. The IDs then could not be used for any harvesting. I agree with James in that it would be wrong for a domainer with a large portfolio to be able to be identified in this way - lets be honest that the point of the PP service. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Blumenthal" <dblumenthal@pir.org> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2014 4:30:54 PM Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A very brief report f from M3AAWG I gave a presentation at this week’s conference in Boston. It was a something of a 20 minute version of the ICANN All Things WHOIS program, although with fewer topics and a focus on details that were most likely to be of interest to the anti abuse community. Four people raised the same suggestion either before the session or during Q/A: Require providers to assign unique IDs to their customers so that we can identify the p/p registrations held by a given entity even if we don’t know who is it. We can explore the idea or not, but I am certain that it will be suggested in public comments to our draft report. FWIW, the suggesters (word?) aren’t affiliated and were an international group. Don _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg