October 2017 - Gnso-rds-pdp-1

DT 1 Doc
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 31, 2017

Oct. 31, 2017

All Alan and I have put the attached together based on our discussions Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ https://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845

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FW: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 24, 2017

Oct. 24, 2017

Sending to the subgroup list .. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: nathalie coupet <nathaliecoupet(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: nathalie coupet <nathaliecoupet(a)yahoo.com> Date: Monday 23 October 2017 at 22:03 To: Michele Neylon <michele(a)blacknight.com> Cc: GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest @Michele, Thank you Michele for meeting me half way. It's difficult to understand and explain what is going on with DNS resolution, WHOIS and who is involved with whom based on what contract. We are in the process of launching a new website. We didn't know who the web hosting company was nor the identity of the registrant (there were so many volunteers who were handling website issues, that nobody knows who did what). Our new tech person looked up the information and found out the name of the web hosting company. But we don't know who the registrant is. This query was then sent to the web hosting company. Our tech person wanted to have both websites (the new one and the old) to show us the difference. Does that make sense? Second question: Is this relevant to our work? :)

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Adobe Connect Recording, attendance & AC Chat from Next-Gen RDS drafting team #1:Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research call on Monday, 23 October 2017 19:00 UTC
by Michelle DeSmyter Oct. 23, 2017

Oct. 23, 2017

Dear all, Please find below the Adobe Connect recording, chat and attendance from the Next-Gen RDS drafting team #1:Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research call on Monday, 23 October 2017 at 19:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p1ls1pmx2po/ Attendance: Michele Neylon Greg Aaron, Greg Shatan, Stephanie Perrin, Nathalie Coupet, James Galvin, Stephanie Perrin Staff: Michelle DeSmyter Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle Adobe Connect Chat: Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS Drafting team #1: Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research on Monday, 23 October 2017 at 19:00 UTC. Michele Neylon:the document we were working on is at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume… Michele Neylon:looks like outputting to PDF doesn't show any of the suggestions : Michele Neylon::( Greg Aaron:Yeah, the comments are not showing. Greg Aaron:on whih day? Nathalie Coupet:I'm not going to be there Greg Aaron:I will not be there on Saturday. Greg Shatan:I will probably not be there, regrettably. :-( Alan Woods (Donuts):i'll be there on the Saturday Greg Aaron:I will be at the second meetings. Greg Shatan:Process of elimination. Greg Shatan:The dulcet tones are never tiresome. Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome Stephanie! Greg Shatan:Fair swap, then. Stephanie Perrin:Thanks, sorry to be late. Time flies when having fun James Galvin (Afilias):Apologies for being late! Nathalie Coupet:yes Nathalie Coupet:no, I'll answer that on the list Nathalie Coupet:yes Michele Neylon:Nathalie - no audio? Nathalie Coupet:No audio - am in a loud room Michele Neylon:no problem Nathalie Coupet:yes Alan Woods (Donuts):+1 jim Stephanie Perrin:consider my opinion voiced. This one should, in my view, gtt broken down into a few more chunks. Technical use should be a group in and unto itself Alan Woods (Donuts):That is how I see it too Greg. (re whittling down lthe list later to legitimate use) Nathalie Coupet:Thank you James Galvin (Afilias):thanks bye all Greg Shatan:Bye all, thanks!!!!!

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Today's Call: Agenda
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 19, 2017

Oct. 19, 2017

All For this afternoon's call here's a rough agenda of what we should try to cover: -Brief recap of DT1 goals and due date - Michele - All team members to share their level of experience with resolving technical issues / DNS research - Introduce EWG's definition of this purpose, as starting point for discussion - Team members less familiar with this purpose to ask general questions - Team members more familiar with this purpose to give real-world examples of this purpose, drawn from their own experiences - Divvy up drafting and agree upon plan to flesh out template by 26th October Questions? Suggestions? For reference I'm attaching the material I circulated previously. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Followup From Today's Call
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 18, 2017

Oct. 18, 2017

All Thanks to those of you who were able to join the call today. Following on from today's call there were two key action items: - share the document via Google docs: https://goo.gl/sMVxA4 - schedule a call for early next week - I'll ask GNSO Secretariat to circulate a Doodle Greg Aaron and James Galvin have volunteered to take a first go at the doc and hopefully the rest of you will be able to contribute. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com https://blacknight.blog / http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow, R93 X265 ,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat / Drafting team #1: Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 16:00 UTC
by Julie Bisland Oct. 18, 2017

Oct. 18, 2017

Dear all, Please find below the Adobe Connect recording, chat and attendance from the Next-Gen RDS drafting team #1: Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research call on Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 16:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p5mr9pmojar/<https://participate.icann.org/p5mr9pmojar/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=ba32205baa7d5c6f…> Attendance: Michele Neylon Greg Aaron, Greg Shatan, James Galvin, Stephanie Perrin, Nathalie Coupet Staff: Julie Bisland Thank you. Kind regards, Julie Adobe Connect Chat: Julie Bisland: (10/18/2017 09:38) Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS Drafting team #1: Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic or Public Interest DNS Research on 18 October 2017 at 16:00 UTC. Michele Neylon: (10:59) Hi - I'll dial in now Julie Bisland: (11:00) I've informed the operator to watch for you, MIchele James Galvin (Afilias): (11:02) Only just realized I need to dial-in. Will do that now. Michele Neylon: (11:02) adobe audio should work Michele Neylon: (11:02) for values of work .. James Galvin (Afilias): (11:03) not giving me that option James Galvin (Afilias): (11:03) it's telling me I have to dial in Julie Bisland: (11:04) my fault, James, try now Julie Bisland: (11:04) you should be able to 'connect audio' Julie Bisland: (11:05) audio is only James and you James Galvin (Afilias): (11:06) now on Adobe audio Stephanie Perrin: (11:10) Can we also join other groups? Stephanie Perrin: (11:10) I want to join law enforcement Stephanie Perrin: (11:11) are these meetings being archived? Michele Neylon: (11:11) Stephanie - they're being archived Julie Bisland: (11:11) greg, we can't hear you Stephanie Perrin: (11:11) great thanks Greg Aaron: (11:11) Dayjob interferes sometimes Michele Neylon: (11:12) :) Greg Aaron: (11:14) dialing in on eh line but lo moderator is avaialble to take my passcode Michele Neylon: (11:15) Julia can you assist him please? Michele Neylon: (11:15) Julie even - sorry Julie Bisland: (11:15) yes, chatting the operator now Greg Aaron: (11:16) I am on on the line now Julie Bisland: (11:16) I see you're on, super, thanks Greg Stephanie Perrin: (11:19) Hopefully not. Stephanie Perrin: (11:19) My point, in case anyone missed it, is that this is a bit of a red herring. Stephanie Perrin: (11:20) I did not say it is not legitimiate, if I recall correctly. Greg Shatan: (11:21) if I understand the aim of Greg Shatan: (11:22) this group, it is understand facts rather than to express opinions. Greg Shatan: (11:22) if Greg Shatan: (11:22) if that research is happening then it is on topic for this group. Stephanie Perrin: (11:23) Fine. Stephanie Perrin: (11:23) I will drop any objections I have to us pursuing this Greg Shatan: (11:23) we are trying to uncover the facts as we know them to be from our area of experience. Stephanie Perrin: (11:26) My recollection of this topic in the EWG discussions was that the topic was not dealt with extensively at all, and thus remains very squishy. Greg Shatan: (11:26) not on audio yet Julie Bisland: (11:31) he's just joining audio Greg Shatan: (11:35) happy to be Mr shatan or Greg s. Greg Shatan: (11:36) or Greg a and Greg b. Julie Bisland: (11:37) no audio, Stephanie Julie Bisland: (11:38) please note: Nathalie Coupet has joined the audio bridge and is muted. Stephanie Perrin: (11:39) It is not a purpose, it is a usage of the data. Stephanie Perrin: (11:39) I think it makes it more clear. Stephanie Perrin: (11:40) It is a current useage. In fact we have two very separate usages to grapple wth Stephanie Perrin: (11:41) +1 Stephanie Perrin: (11:44) Why are we describing the non-academic research as public interest research? It opens up a giant can of worms, namely the as yet un-defined natrue of the public interest at ICANN. Stephanie Perrin: (11:45) And if a legitimate company (eg Symantec) does research on the DNS in order to gain market dominance in a particular security matter, is that market research, product (eg algorithm) , or "public interest" research. I think this is a very dicey area, diffcult to define. Stephanie Perrin: (11:46) that was product development research Stephanie Perrin: (11:50) wednesday for me, so monday tuesday would be better Stephanie Perrin: (11:51) Thanks! Greg Aaron: (11:51) Can staff post pages 2 and 3 in a Google doc? Greg Aaron: (11:51) Thanks Stephanie Perrin: (11:51) Lovely. If we could take over the Tuesday regular slot it will be great James Galvin (Afilias): (11:51) bye all thanks Greg Shatan: (11:52) bye

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Materials and Thoughts?
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 17, 2017

Oct. 17, 2017

All Thanks for participating. Have you all had a chance to review the materials circulated? Does anyone have any initial thoughts or reactions? While we do have a call scheduled this week I'm conscious of our time constraints, so any on list discussion that can advance this would be helpful. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Drafting Team #1 - Technical Issue Resolution -and- Academic/Public Interest DNS Research
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Oct. 16, 2017

Oct. 16, 2017

All Welcome. You have been selected by the RDS leadership team to serve on a drafting team to define the RDS purposes named in the subject line above. Thank you very much for volunteering to participate in this effort. Here is the list of the team members: Coordinated by: Michele Neylon Members: Greg Aaron, Alan Woods, Greg Shatan, Stephanie Perrin, Jonathan Matkowsky, Nathalie Coupet, James Galvin As you can see, this message is being sent via a dedicated mailing list that has been set up to facilitate email communications over the next two to two and half weeks. Please use the list for all of our electronic team communications. Note that this list is publicly archived. Here are the list details. Mailing list address: gnso-rds-pdp-1(a)icann.org Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-1/ Attached you will find a template that outlines our tasks and provides a timeline. Please review it right away so that we can start discussions as soon as possible. We plan to have at least two teleconference calls over the next two weeks, but additional ones may be scheduled as needed. At the same time, mailing list discussion is encouraged. The first call will be scheduled on Tuesday or Wednesday, October 17 or 18. Please complete the Doodle poll linked below not later than end of day on Saturday, October 14 so that a time can be identified that best meets team member availability. https://icannorg.doodle.com/poll/u2d6bqqm48ig8whg Teams were formed using results from this week's poll which can be found on the WG wiki. Every team includes: - At least one person from each of the perspectives named in the poll wherever possible, but without assigning members to more than one team. - A mix of members who have direct experience regarding the proposed purpose and those who have little or no experience about the proposed purpose. Remember that the purpose of this work is not to make decisions but rather to facilitate communication and understanding. The team is expected to deliver a one to two-page document to the full WG that will be used in our face to face meeting on Saturday, October 28 to help all WG members understand the applicable purpose. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them on this list. Thanks in advance for completing the Doodle Poll promptly and for participating in our discussions starting today and in the days ahead. Michele Neylon Drafting Team Coordinator -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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