Hi Volker, On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:42 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: Hi Alex, I have no doubt about that. Thanks for the clarification. If such existing frameworks could be expanded to domain name registration details as well, would that remove the need for them to be published publicly? This is impossible to know/answer without understanding the framework details. Alex Volker Am 27.07.2016 um 01:04 schrieb Deacon, Alex: Hi Volker, I think it is important to note that industries do in fact exist that have set up abuse collaboration frameworks (of varying types) which do not require court orders in order to enable access. Alex On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: I tend to agree. But OTOH, merely outlining a use case, whether currently existing or edesirable does not mean that this use case can or should be accomodated down the road. In other industries, the same actors want access to the same sets of data, yet it is not publicly available and requires them to obtain a court order to access. We may want to analyse at some point down the road, why that is the case and whether this may be the better template for us to follow. Best, Volker Am 25.07.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Kathy Kleiman: @Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected). No one does it this way, guys. Kathy On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote: Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful. Best regards, Marika Marika Konings Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> Date: Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58 To: Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com><mailto:lisa@corecom.com> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused. - Ayden On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote: Hi Andrew, My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls. While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation. Best, Lisa At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums. On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote: Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios. At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote: Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com><mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: “gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org”<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. 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