Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Karnika

Thanks for the example.

In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.

So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.

Regards

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I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings.

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Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

...

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

...

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings.  With Regards,  Karnika Seth Attorney at law. & Founding Partner   SETH ASSOCIATES ADVOCATES AND LEGAL CONSULTANTS  , <398b2597.jpg>  (O): B- 10, Sector 40, Noida-201301, N.C.R, India.  (Mon-Sat, 9.30 am-6 pm) Tel: + 91(120) 4352846,4331304 , Mob: + 91 9810155766 Fax: + 91 (120) 4331304. Website: www.sethassociates.com , www.lexcyberia.com E-mail: mail@sethassociates.com, mail@lexcyberia.com  Computers, Internet & New Technology Laws by Karnika Seth, Lexis Nexis Butterworths,2013 <398b2597.gif>  LinkedIn  <398b25a7.gif>  Facebook <398b25b6.gif>  Twitter    Â

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To talk about this a bit more from the work we did on the EWG, since our task was to rethink whois from the ground up, we did delve into use cases that either are impossible or very difficult to accomplish with the current system. Many of the “potential use cases” were brought by having experts representing different types of stakeholders, users, registrants, ecosystem participants etc. as part of the group itself, and others were brought in from direct feedback from various stakeholder groups. So, for example, use cases around how corporations track and manage their hundreds to thousands of domains across multiple TLDs and registrars, which represent a large chunk of the 300+ million domain names currently registered, is very difficult today, were presented; and various ways a new RDS could make that much more efficient for everyone in the ecosystem were included. Another great example was how a new RDS could be use to protect one’s identity (name/address/e-mail) from being used to falsely register a domain name, which is frankly impossible today and leads to direct personal harm, can be enacted using various credentialing systems. And of course, the many use cases that tied to tiered access in order to enable the ability of those who desire to have their personal data protected properly and proportionately, are mostly “new thinking” versus today’s situation. It is very important that we continue that thinking as part of this WG, since this is our opportunity to “fix” many of the ills that the antiquated registration data system has. As with many other topics I see debated on this list that I consider a near complete rehash of things that are well covered in the main documents we kicked this group off with, especially the EWG reports, I cannot stress enough how much of this work is already done and many of the issues pretty fully explored in those documents. PLEASE review and and read those primary documents if you haven’t done so already, particularly if you want to weigh in on a topic on this list, and use them as a basis for your agreement, disagreement, starting point, etc. as it will make this process all the better and more expeditious. Thanks all - good discussions occurring even if some of them are ahead of schedule - would be great to stay focused on bringing things together for this stage rather than debating stuff we know is coming, so we can get there faster, but at least those threads have been largely germane. Cheers, Rod Rasmussen VP, Cybersecurity -  <http://www.infoblox.com/>- <http://www.infoblox.com/>

On Jul 24, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls.

While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios.

It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation.

Best, Lisa

At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

...

Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.

A

-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com <mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote:

...

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

...

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

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Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful. Best regards, Marika Marika Konings Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Date: Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58 To: Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused. - Ayden On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote: Hi Andrew, My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls. While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation. Best, Lisa At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums. On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote: Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios. At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote: Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com><mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: “gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org”<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. 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@Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected). No one does it this way, guys. Kathy On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote:

Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful.

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I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused.

- Ayden

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com <mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls.

While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios.

It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, /deliberating on/ any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation.

Best, Lisa

At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.

A

-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com <mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote:

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

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Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com> <mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> *Date: *Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 *To: *“gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org” <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject: *[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Â

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Hi Volker, I think it is important to note that industries do in fact exist that have set up abuse collaboration frameworks (of varying types) which do not require court orders in order to enable access. Alex On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: I tend to agree. But OTOH, merely outlining a use case, whether currently existing or edesirable does not mean that this use case can or should be accomodated down the road. In other industries, the same actors want access to the same sets of data, yet it is not publicly available and requires them to obtain a court order to access. We may want to analyse at some point down the road, why that is the case and whether this may be the better template for us to follow. Best, Volker Am 25.07.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Kathy Kleiman: @Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected). No one does it this way, guys. Kathy On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote: Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful. Best regards, Marika Marika Konings Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> Date: Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58 To: Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com><mailto:lisa@corecom.com> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused. - Ayden On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote: Hi Andrew, My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls. While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation. Best, Lisa At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums. On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote: Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios. At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote: Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com><mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: “gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org”<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. 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Hi Volker, On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:42 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: Hi Alex, I have no doubt about that. Thanks for the clarification. If such existing frameworks could be expanded to domain name registration details as well, would that remove the need for them to be published publicly? This is impossible to know/answer without understanding the framework details. Alex Volker Am 27.07.2016 um 01:04 schrieb Deacon, Alex: Hi Volker, I think it is important to note that industries do in fact exist that have set up abuse collaboration frameworks (of varying types) which do not require court orders in order to enable access. Alex On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: I tend to agree. But OTOH, merely outlining a use case, whether currently existing or edesirable does not mean that this use case can or should be accomodated down the road. In other industries, the same actors want access to the same sets of data, yet it is not publicly available and requires them to obtain a court order to access. We may want to analyse at some point down the road, why that is the case and whether this may be the better template for us to follow. Best, Volker Am 25.07.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Kathy Kleiman: @Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected). No one does it this way, guys. Kathy On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote: Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful. Best regards, Marika Marika Konings Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> Date: Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58 To: Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com><mailto:lisa@corecom.com> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused. - Ayden On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote: Hi Andrew, My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls. While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation. Best, Lisa At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums. On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com<mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote: Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios. At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote: Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com><mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: “gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org”<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. 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How about a nice little section in the use case template, something like "is this current practice/future wish list item illegal?". Speaking somewhat facetiously here, but quite frankly since we have not agreed the ultimate purpose of the collection, use, retention and disclosure of registration data, it seems to me that we are building a house before digging the foundation here. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-25 9:33, Marika Konings wrote:

Kathy, as discussed during the last meeting, the objective of the use cases is to look at particular real world scenarios involving RDS and identify and better understand WHOIS uses following which it may be determined whether these concern permissible or non-permissible and/or primary / secondary uses.

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@Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected).

No one does it this way, guys.

Kathy

On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote:

Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful.

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I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused.

- Ayden

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa@corecom.com <mailto:lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls.

While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios.

It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, /deliberating on/ any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation.

Best, Lisa

At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.

A

-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com <mailto:lisa@corecom.com>> wrote:

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

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Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com> <mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> *Date: *Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 *To: *“gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org” <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject: *[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Â

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Hello All, Please find ‘required services’ use case (URS/UDRP/Escrow Operator/ICANN Audit) P.s: it might overlap with other use cases, so could be edited. Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580 skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (Moscow)

On Jul 24, 2016, at 22:27, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls.

While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios.

It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation.

Best, Lisa

At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

...

Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.

A

-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa@corecom.com> wrote:

...

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

...

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

...

Karnika  Thanks for the example.  In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.  So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.  Regards  Michele  -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845  From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case  Dear All,  I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings.  With Regards,  Karnika Seth Attorney at law. & Founding Partner   SETH ASSOCIATES ADVOCATES AND LEGAL CONSULTANTS  , <398b2597.jpg>  (O): B- 10, Sector 40, Noida-201301, N.C.R, India.  (Mon-Sat, 9.30 am-6 pm) Tel: + 91(120) 4352846,4331304 , Mob: + 91 9810155766 Fax: + 91 (120) 4331304. Website: www.sethassociates.com , www.lexcyberia.com E-mail: mail@sethassociates.com, mail@lexcyberia.com  Computers, Internet & New Technology Laws by Karnika Seth, Lexis Nexis Butterworths,2013 <398b2597.gif>  LinkedIn  <398b25a7.gif>  Facebook <398b25b6.gif>  Twitter    Â

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For what it's worth, I like to do these as user stories. So, "as a registrant, I want to…" and so on. It makes the use case concrete. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 24, 2016, at 13:57, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

...

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika

Thanks for the example.

In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.

So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.

Regards

Michele

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Dear All,

I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings.

With Regards,

Karnika Seth Attorney at law. & Founding Partner

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One idea: Should we also attach a description to these use cases of the process as it exists today in comparable industries, such as telecommunications, hosting, etc? So how would a comparable use case work when it is directed against data on a customer of an internet access provider, a webhost, etc? I think we would benefit a lot from including this view down the road when discussion them. Best, Volker Am 25.07.2016 um 08:48 schrieb karnika:

Andrew I think I see this from the same lens ! user stories would be a situational description of what is the need and why and how to fulfil that need and make changes in the current system or state how the current system takes care of it.

Karnika Seth

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For what it's worth, I like to do these as user stories. So, "as a registrant, I want to…" and so on. It makes the use case concrete.

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On Jul 24, 2016, at 13:57, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

Karnika

Thanks for the example.

In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.

So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.

Regards

Michele

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Thank you Karnika for putting forward a draft that we can work from. Regarding Michele’s point, the overarching question may be how granular do we want the use case examples to be? I would think that, at a minimum, we would wish to distinguish between the case where the requesting party (“A,” though there is a reference to “X” in the first line) is a law enforcement officer acting in that capacity, and where A is a private party (whether an individual or a “legal person” such as a company). These are probably two different use cases. Michele’s question is whether we should further subdivide this based on the type of illegal or “legally actionable” conduct involved. I certainly agree that (to use his example) defamation might be handled differently from identity theft; but if the RDS user in both cases is a private party, do they need to be separate use case examples? Same question if in both cases “A” is law enforcement. One additional point on granularity: there might be two separate use cases even in the private party requester (A=private party) situation, depending on whether A is seeking to contact the registrant, or is simply seeking to identify an address where the registrant can be served with legal process. I believe the former case is far more common than the latter, but both could occur, and they ought to be treated separately because the latter would seemingly require data with different characteristics than the former. Stephanie’s question goes (among other things) to Karnika’s last paragraph. Where the registrant is using a proxy registration service, should we assume that the proposed consensus policy regarding accreditation now pending before the ICANN board will be in place? Or should we assume the status quo? This could change the nature of the use case. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of karnika Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:40 AM To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Thankyou Stephanie and Michele for your valuable inputs. I think we should discuss this in next meeting so that other use cases can also be developed accordingly. Regards, Karnika Seth From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Perrin Sent: 24 July 2016 23:27 To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. 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Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <karnika@sethassociates.com><mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Dear All, I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings. 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This certainly gives clarity to what we are aiming at and the direction for today’s discussion. Thankyou for your comments, Chuck, Steven, Stephanie and all other members of WG Regards Karnika Seth From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: 26 July 2016 00:50 To: Metalitz, Steven <met@msk.com>; 'karnika' <karnika@sethassociates.com>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Note that our goal is not to create a complete set of all possible use cases but rather to get a sampling of some that cover the key questions we will be addressing in out deliberation. Also note the excellent discussion that Karnika’s use case generated. That is exactly what we want to happen. It is less about having a flawless use case than it is about getting us all thinking about the various issues we will need to consider when deliberating. So our objective is not to fix Karnika’s use case but instead to discuss it from multiple perspectives. Chuck From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Metalitz, Steven Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:18 PM To: 'karnika'; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Thank you Karnika for putting forward a draft that we can work from. Regarding Michele’s point, the overarching question may be how granular do we want the use case examples to be? I would think that, at a minimum, we would wish to distinguish between the case where the requesting party (“A,” though there is a reference to “X” in the first line) is a law enforcement officer acting in that capacity, and where A is a private party (whether an individual or a “legal person” such as a company). These are probably two different use cases. Michele’s question is whether we should further subdivide this based on the type of illegal or “legally actionable” conduct involved. I certainly agree that (to use his example) defamation might be handled differently from identity theft; but if the RDS user in both cases is a private party, do they need to be separate use case examples? Same question if in both cases “A” is law enforcement. One additional point on granularity: there might be two separate use cases even in the private party requester (A=private party) situation, depending on whether A is seeking to contact the registrant, or is simply seeking to identify an address where the registrant can be served with legal process. I believe the former case is far more common than the latter, but both could occur, and they ought to be treated separately because the latter would seemingly require data with different characteristics than the former. Stephanie’s question goes (among other things) to Karnika’s last paragraph. Where the registrant is using a proxy registration service, should we assume that the proposed consensus policy regarding accreditation now pending before the ICANN board will be in place? Or should we assume the status quo? This could change the nature of the use case. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of karnika Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:40 AM To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Thankyou Stephanie and Michele for your valuable inputs. I think we should discuss this in next meeting so that other use cases can also be developed accordingly. Regards, Karnika Seth From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Perrin Sent: 24 July 2016 23:27 To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now? Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them? Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this. Stephanie Perrin On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: Karnika Thanks for the example. In order to make it easier to process use cases I’d recommend you break them out as specifically as possible. So defamation would be quite different to identity theft. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of karnika <mailto:karnika@sethassociates.com> <karnika@sethassociates.com> Date: Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51 To: <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case Dear All, I have prepared an Example Use case which is attached herewith. Please feel free to comment and give your inputs so that we can discuss it in our future meetings. 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