Well, this is an excellent example on why there is a need for URS in cases where there is no need for transfer but rather to quickly stop an obvious infringement. / Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 3 januari 2017 20:41:01 +01:00, skrev Doug Isenberg <disenberg@gigalawfirm.com>:
I have no insights as to why this trademark owner chose the URS instead of the UDRP, but certainly the filing fee for this URS case (as I noted in my blog post) was much less than a UDRP complaint would have cost. At the Forum (where this URS complaint was filed -- and where the same trademark owner has filed previous UDRP cases), the filing fee for a URS case with more than 50 domain names is only $500; by comparison, the Forum doesn't even publish a fee schedule for UDRP cases with more than 16 domain names (and the UDRP filing fee for a complaint with 15 domain names is $2,250). Clearly, the UDRP filing fee would have been many times more expensive than for the URS case. Since trademark owners often consider costs when evaluating enforcement options, I suspect this may have been a factor.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Jon Nevett Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:31 PM To: Marc Trachtenberg <<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg <<gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
Thanks for sharing Phil and Doug.
This case is an interesting data point of a brand holder deciding to use the URS over the UDRP. We developed the RPMs with the hope that brand holders would utilize the RPMs that made the most sense to them to protect their brands. The URS was developed for slam-dunk cases of infringement. We wanted to create a quicker and less costly way to take down infringing domain names. There was a deliberate distinction between the standard of proof and remedies with the URS and the UDRP. If these distinctions didn't exist, there would not have been a purpose for the URS. It would be interesting to understand why a brand holder like this one selected to use the URS over the UDRP -- and especially whether they understood the risk that Kiran mentioned.
Look forward to the discussion at the appropriate time.
Best,
Jon
On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:13 PM, <<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>>
<<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>> wrote:
How does one decision signify whether a particular RPM is under, over, or appropriately utilized? I think this can only be determined / analyzed in
the aggregate.
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Jonathan Frost <jonathan@get.club<mailto:<jonathan@get.club>>> wrote:
I have to agree with Reg here. One argument I've heard against URS working is that it is underutilized, and cases like this seem to undermine
that argument (although no single case or outcome should be considered dispositive).
Jonathan
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From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>> [mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Reg Levy Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:35 PM To: Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com<mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmo nitor.com>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
My point was that a matter was successfully brought under the RPMs (my point would stand for matters unsuccessfully brought under the RPMs). That
cybersquatting exists is not in dispute. Nor is it our-or ICANN's-job to cause cybersquatting to no longer exist. The matter was a URS, which was a new-to-new-gTLDs RPM and (supposedly) cheaper than the UDRP.
If this does not signify that RPMs work, does it signify that they do not?
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On 3 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>>> wrote:
Agree with Doug and Marc, I would be curious to understand the thinking further.
Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to all of these names when the suspension period is over.
K
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:27 AM, "trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com<mailto:<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>>"
<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com<mailto:<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>>> wrote:
Agreed. How does one large URS filling indicate that the RPMs are working?
Best Regards,
Marc H.Trachtenberg Shareholder Greenberg Traurig, LLP 77 West Wacker Drive Chicago, IL 60601 Office (312) 456-1020 Mobile (773) 677-3305
On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Doug Isenberg <disenberg@gigalawfirm.com<mailto:<disenberg@gigalawfirm.com>><mailto:disenber
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As the author of the blog post that Phil shared, I disagree with Reg's conclusion below (and am quite unsure how that conclusion was reached).
This URS case is interesting because its size makes it unusual (and, indeed, unprecedented). It is not indicative of any trend about RPMs in general or the URS in particular. If anything, it is a reminder that there are many domain name registrants - even in the new gTLDs - who continue to engage in cybersquatting on a large-scale, despite the RPMs such as the URS.
Sincerely yours,
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From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>><ma ilto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Reg Levy Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:56 PM To: Philip S. Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:<psc@vlaw-dc.com>><mailto:<psc@vlaw-dc.com>>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:<gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-rpm-wg @icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
Which seems to indicate that the current RPMs are working.
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On 3 Jan 2017, at 09:34, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:<psc@vlaw-dc.com>><mailto:<psc@vlaw-dc.com>>> wrote:
FYI, on December 21, 2016 NAF suspended 474 DN variants of Ashley Furniture in a single URS filing.
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