February 2015 - Internal-cg

Question for IANAPLAN and CRISP
by Alissa Cooper Feb. 9, 2015

Feb. 9, 2015

I will send this question to the communities at 6:00 UTC (about 4 hours from now). Please send any last-minute feedback before then. --- The IETF consensus as reflected in draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response did not include a formal request to change the arrangements regarding the IANA trademark and the iana.org domain as a requirement of its transition proposal. But Section III.A.2 of the RIR proposal says: "With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, it is the expectation of the Internet Number Community that both are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. Identifying an organization that is not the IANA Numbering Services Operator and which will permanently hold these assets will facilitate a smooth transition should another operator (or operators) be selected in the future. It is the preference of the Internet Number Community that the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain name be transferred to an entity independent of the IANA Numbering Services Operator, in order to ensure that these assets are used in a non-discriminatory manner for the benefit of the entire community. From the Internet Number Community’s perspective, the IETF Trust would be an acceptable candidate for this role.” The numbers proposal sees these changes as a requirement of the transition and the protocols parameters proposal does not. If these aspects of the proposals are perceived as incompatible would the numbers and protocol parameters communities be willing to modify their proposals to reconcile them? Please either send us your response or let us know that you’ll need more time by February 21, 2015. Thanks, Alissa Cooper on behalf of the ICG

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Handling process complaints
by Alissa Cooper Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

I’ve included an item on the draft agenda for the January 28 call about handling community process complaints. We have received a few: Richard Hill on IETF process: http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00017.html Richard Hill on RIR process: http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00020.html Guru Acharya on RIR process: http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00024.html And there are some follow-up messages that you can see on the forum. http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ I’ve been forwarding these to the appropriate communities, but I think we need to be a little clearer about what we are expecting here. If we want responses from the communities, we should ask for them directly. If we go down that route, we should probably set a deadline for receiving complaints about this first phase of the process so that we can give the communities clear guidance about what they need to respond to and when. We can discuss this on the call but I wanted to get the discussion going on the mailing list first. Thanks, Alissa

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Revised action items from ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4, 6-7 February 2015
by Jennifer Chung Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

Hi All, Please see the revised action items list below, taking into account suggestions and edits received from ICG members so far: 1. Secretariat to summarize questions/answers resolved internally about the Protocol parameters proposal and Numbers proposal discussed. 2. Arkko to do write up of jurisdiction and NTIA oversight in the Protocol parameters operational community. 3. Wilson to do write up clarification regarding questions put forth by Arasteh regarding Section II.B.2 and III.A of the Numbers proposal. 4. ICG chairs to review details of the proposal finalization process and refine ICG timeline with assistance from Secretariat. 5. Ismail, Arasteh, St. Amour, Alhadeff, Subrenat, Karrenberg to continue working on community comments handling document with suggestions put forward by other ICG members. 6. ICG chairs to send bullet points (based on ICG discussion during the face-to-face meeting) for Monday session to the internal-cg list. 7. Fältström to communicate with CWG-IANA and CCWG-Accountability before coordinating ICG teleconference schedule. 8. ICG chairs to formally transmit question (formulated during the ICG face-to-face meeting and finalized on the internal-cg list) to both the Protocol parameters community and Numbers community. Best Regards, Jennifer

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Talking points
by Patrik Fältström Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

Hi, Here is a first cut at the talking points for ICANN52. As you all know, all of us have been starting talking with people (and people have talked with us) and this is what I feel we have been saying. Note: this is the basis for _talking_ points. It is not statements, and specifically not statements to be given in writing. That said, of course this email, and the talking points, are available in writing to the public :-) Patrik

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Monday session 10:15-13:00
by Patrik Fältström Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

All, After looking around for a moderator for the Q&A portion, and either finding people not being on site, or people that rejected the invitation to moderate, I talked with Matthew Shears that many of you probably know, and he agreed to moderate. Patrik

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Re: [Internal-cg] Action items from ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4, 6-7 February 2015
by Narelle Clark Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

Two weeks is also fine by me. Send the question. N -- Narelle Clark Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> wrote: On 8.02.15 10:18 , Patrik Fältström wrote: > So far we have talked about 2 weeks timer for the response when we are > interacting with the OC's. I remember that we would request a response within 14 calendar days for questions to other bodies from earlier planning discussions. I have never been quite clear whether that included public comment periods. But that is not relevant here. Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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Re: [Internal-cg] Action items from ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4, 6-7 February 2015
by Narelle Clark Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

I was thinking 21 days. Narelle -- Narelle Clark Milton L Mueller <mueller(a)syr.edu> wrote: Alissa is awaiting suggestions for a date for a response to this question. My suggestion is that we request that they tell us within 30 days _how_ they plan to go about resolving this issue (e.g., meetings, etc.) and once they respond in that way we ask them to suggest a timeline for how quickly they think they can resolve it. From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:50 PM To: Jennifer Chung; 'ICG' Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Action items from ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4, 6-7 February 2015 Jennifer, You forgot the question we agreed to send jointly to the numbers and protocol parameters group. I was responsible for this, but yesterday when I said it was “done” I meant that the question had been approved by the group. I do not think it was “finished” in the sense that we have formally transmitted it to the two OCs. I would like to know how that will be done, and when. For everyone’s reference, here is the agreed question: The IETF consensus as reflected in draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response did not include a formal request to change the arrangements regarding the IANA trademark and the iana.org<http://iana.org> domain as a requirement of its transition proposal. But Section III.A.2 of the RIR proposal says: "With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG<http://IANA.ORG> domain, it is the expectation of the Internet Number Community that both are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. Identifying an organization that is not the IANA Numbering Services Operator and which will permanently hold these assets will facilitate a smooth transition should another operator (or operators) be selected in the future. It is the preference of the Internet Number Community that the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG<http://IANA.ORG> domain name be transferred to an entity independent of the IANA Numbering Services Operator, in order to ensure that these assets are used in a non-discriminatory manner for the benefit of the entire community. From the Internet Number Community’s perspective, the IETF Trust would be an acceptable candidate for this role.” The numbers proposal sees these changes as a requirement of the transition and the protocols parameters proposal does not. If these aspects of the proposals are perceived as incompatible would the numbers and protocol parameters communities be willing to modify their proposals to reconcile them? From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Chung Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 6:40 PM To: 'ICG' Subject: [Internal-cg] Action items from ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4, 6-7 February 2015 Hello All, As reviewed by the ICG chairs, please find the list of action items from the ICG Face-to-Face Meeting #4 below: 1. Secretariat to summarize questions/answers resolved internally about the protocol parameters proposal and numbers proposal discussed. 2. Arkko to compile a list of for a request for information from the protocol parameters community re jurisdiction, NTIA oversight and send it to internal-cg list. 3. Wilson to request clarification from CRISP team, questions put forth by Arasteh (regarding Section II.B.2 and III.A of the numbers proposal). 4. ICG chairs to review details of the proposal finalization process and refine ICG timeline with assistance from Secretariat. 5. Ismail, Arasteh, St. Amour, Alhadeff, Subrenat to continue working on community comments handling document with suggestions put forward by other ICG members. 6. ICG to continue to discuss and agree on talking points and ICG chairs to send bullet points for Monday session on the internal-cg list. 7. Fältström to communicate with CWG-IANA and CCWG-Accountability before coordinating ICG teleconference schedule. Best Regards, Jennifer

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Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Sunday Evening IANA Transition & Accountability Session
by Narelle Clark Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

I saw this one when I went through the online ICANN schedule on Wed night. So will be there. Narelle -- Narelle Clark Director of Operations - Deputy CEO Australian Communications Consumer Action Network Milton L Mueller <mueller(a)syr.edu> wrote: Welcome to ICANN meeting scheduling dysfunction! This is a very irritating but unfortunately routine aspect of ICANN meetings. Often the presenters are not balanced as well. From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 7:50 PM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Sunday Evening IANA Transition & Accountability Session All, Without any previous communication I just got this in my mailbox. Part from being a complete surprise, it has also created quite some scheduling conflicts at ICANN. Because of this, I am at the moment awaiting further information "how this was created". Regardless, it seems there will be an "informational session on IANA Transition and Accountability" where I am requested to be part of a Q&A. Patrik P.S. Bullet / speaking points will be send shortly Begin forwarded message: From: Jim Trengrove <jim.trengrove(a)icann.org<mailto:jim.trengrove@icann.org>> To: Patrik Fältström <paf(a)frobbit.se<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>>, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr(a)difo.dk<mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk>>, "izumi(a)nic.ad.jp<mailto:izumi@nic.ad.jp>" <izumi(a)nic.ad.jp<mailto:izumi@nic.ad.jp>>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe(a)sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>, Thomas Rickert <rickert(a)anwaelte.de<mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de>>, "ajs(a)crankycanuck.ca<mailto:ajs@crankycanuck.ca>" <ajs(a)crankycanuck.ca<mailto:ajs@crankycanuck.ca>>, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill(a)afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Cc: "bdelachapelle(a)gmail.com<mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com>" <bdelachapelle(a)gmail.com<mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com>>, Ira Magaziner <ira(a)sjsadvisors.com<mailto:ira@sjsadvisors.com>>, Jan Aart Scholte <jan.scholte(a)globalstudies.gu.se<mailto:jan.scholte@globalstudies.gu.se>>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart(a)icann.org<mailto:theresa.swinehart@icann.org>>, Duncan Burns <duncan.burns(a)icann.org<mailto:duncan.burns@icann.org>> Subject: Sunday Evening IANA Transition & Accountability Session Date: 7 februari 2015 22:51:19 GMT+8 Good evening Chairs and to those of you who have graciously agreed to step in for one - Attached is the final show flow for the Sunday evening session. Please review and let me know if you have any questions. While the Chairs have not been asked to make presentations, please feel free to suggest an issue or question you would like Bertrand, our moderator, to ask. We have set aside a good 45 minutes for Q&A but our hope is the session will be more of a free flowing discussion. While we planned to have only one Chair from each of the active groups to sit on the panel, there may be extra space, as well as a standup mic on the floor to encourage participation. Bertrand will be in the room at 1630 to begin a brief rehearsal and encourages as many of you who can to arrive early as well. Thanks again for taking the time out of your already busy schedules to do this. I think this will be a great kickoff to all of the important discussions to follow this week. Best Jim Trengrove Senior Director of Communications Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers +1 202 297 8950

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Fwd: Sunday Evening IANA Transition & Accountability Session
by Patrik Fältström Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

All, Without any previous communication I just got this in my mailbox. Part from being a complete surprise, it has also created quite some scheduling conflicts at ICANN. Because of this, I am at the moment awaiting further information "how this was created". Regardless, it seems there will be an "informational session on IANA Transition and Accountability" where I am requested to be part of a Q&A. Patrik P.S. Bullet / speaking points will be send shortly > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Jim Trengrove <jim.trengrove(a)icann.org> > To: Patrik Fältström <paf(a)frobbit.se>, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr(a)difo.dk>, "izumi(a)nic.ad.jp" <izumi(a)nic.ad.jp>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe(a)sanchez.mx>, Thomas Rickert <rickert(a)anwaelte.de>, "ajs(a)crankycanuck.ca" <ajs(a)crankycanuck.ca>, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill(a)afnic.fr> > Cc: "bdelachapelle(a)gmail.com" <bdelachapelle(a)gmail.com>, Ira Magaziner <ira(a)sjsadvisors.com>, Jan Aart Scholte <jan.scholte(a)globalstudies.gu.se>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart(a)icann.org>, Duncan Burns <duncan.burns(a)icann.org> > Subject: Sunday Evening IANA Transition & Accountability Session > Date: 7 februari 2015 22:51:19 GMT+8 > > Good evening Chairs and to those of you who have graciously agreed to step in for one - > > Attached is the final show flow for the Sunday evening session. Please review and let me know if you have any questions. > > While the Chairs have not been asked to make presentations, please feel free to suggest an issue or question you would like Bertrand, our moderator, to ask. > > We have set aside a good 45 minutes for Q&A but our hope is the session will be more of a free flowing discussion. > > While we planned to have only one Chair from each of the active groups to sit on the panel, there may be extra space, as well as a standup mic on the floor to encourage participation. > > Bertrand will be in the room at 1630 to begin a brief rehearsal and encourages as many of you who can to arrive early as well. > > Thanks again for taking the time out of your already busy schedules to do this. I think this will be a great kickoff to all of the important discussions to follow this week. > > Best > > Jim Trengrove > Senior Director of Communications > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers > +1 202 297 8950 >

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Monday 10:15-13:00 session
by Patrik Fältström Feb. 8, 2015

Feb. 8, 2015

All, I have got some questions offlist regarding the session. I am sorry for not keeping people more updated. The plan for the session has not changed from the original that got some slight feedback. 1. I will open the session, and "host it", not give ANY information from ICG, just logistics for the session 2. We will have the operational communities come to the stage in the order we received the proposals 2.1. Protocol Parameters, Marc Blanchet 2.2. Numbers, Izumi Okutani 2.3. Names, Jonathan Robinson and Lise Fuhr 3. I welcome Matthew Shears as moderator for the Q&A 4. Q&A with representatives from OC and ICG on stage - Patrik & Mohamed - Marc - Izumi & Alan Barrett - Jonathan & Lise Each one of 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 get MAXIMUM of 40 minutes, but might very well be shorter in which time we add time to 4. ICG members are recommended to be "close" to one of the two microphones to answer questions and "speak" in a more informal way and participate in the discussion in a different way than me and Mohamed that speak on behalf of what we believe the consensus or status is from ICG as a whole. Patrik

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