September 2014 - Internal-cg

Strawman proposal finalization process
by Alissa Cooper 08 Oct '14

08 Oct '14

As discussed in the thread about ICANN 51 side meetings, it seems like it would be helpful for us to develop a shared understanding of how we will assemble and finalize a unified transition proposal after we start receiving individual proposals from the operational communities and broader input from all stakeholders. My guess is that we will not come to a firm conclusion about all details of this process prior to ICANN 51, which is fine. But we certainly need to come to some conclusions about it within the next few months, so that we are prepared when we start receiving proposals from the operational communities and input from all stakeholders. I’ve put together a strawman proposal for a process to use to assemble and finalize a unified transition proposal (attached and in dropbox). It is heavily influenced by our charter. You will see that there are many open questions — I’m just throwing this out as a starting point to get discussion going. Please comment. I don’t think we need to document every little detail and possible corner case for how things might go once we start receiving proposals and input, but I do think we should have a rough plan that we can articulate to establish expectations about how we will proceed. Thanks, Alissa

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Minutes of 6 and 17 September ICG meetings
by Samantha Dickinson 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

I have placed the drafts of the September face-to-face meeting and teleconference minutes on Dropbox in the minutes folder: <https://www.dropbox.com/s/2swcl5wjsyx5hsj/minutes-second-f2f-meeting-6-sept…> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/a28a0p6spz2gtpe/minutes-teleconference-17-septemb…> Please note that both sets of minutes use the new style of separating out decisions and actions made at the meeting. Regards -- Samantha Dickinson Internet governance consultant & writer Lingua Synaptica

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ICG FAQ ..
by Manal Ismail 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Dear All .. Please find attached, and in dropbox, a draft FAQ we (Martin, Patrik, Mohamed, Alissa & myself) have prepared to be discussed on the upcoming call .. This is supposed to be a living document .. So the target is to come up with an initial agreed version rather than an exhaustive complete one .. Looking forward to receiving your feedback over email and/or during the call .. Kind Regards --Manal

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REMINDER - 1 October - ICG Call #5
by Alice Jansen 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Dear ICG Members, This is to kindly remind you that your ICG call #5 is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 1 October** at 04:00-05:00 UTC See timezone conversion at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ICG+Call+%235&iso=… Note that an announcement was published on the ICANN website yesterday and may be found at: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-09-22-en Call details were emailed to you in off-list notifications. You should also have received an outlook calendar invite which includes the call details. In you cannot find them, please send me an email (off-list) and I will make sure to send you a copy prior to the call. Documents will be projected in the virtual meeting room - https://icann.adobeconnect.com/icg. To avoid echo, please make sure to mute your computer speakers as live audio from the meeting is being broadcast from the virtual meeting room. If you plan to use Skype to join the bridge, see attached instructions on how to mute the virtual meeting room. Note that the virtual meeting room will also be used to monitor the queue. To join the queue, press the "raise your hand" icon in the Adobe Connect room: [cid:3364EF36-9D4D-489F-A6D3-131BC32AE69B] If you are not in a position to join the virtual meeting room today, please let me know. Should you wish to follow the meeting in a different language, please note that AR, ES, FR, RU, ZH and PT interpretation services are available for this call. Note, however, that as indicated in the call details, the FR booth will interpret from English into French only. The agenda circulated by Alissa will be available in the virtual meeting room: * Minutes approval for Sept 17 call - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7x5poce3wb8ffsv/AACVxjRGvva_U15ix7dl4I-ia/Minute… * Review ICANN 51 schedule and logistics - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7x5poce3wb8ffsv/AAAaLTRA8tOApp7SlA_t0fKaa/ICANN5… * Discussion of FAQ - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7x5poce3wb8ffsv/AABQYGtLVj8PvlG9NkX0T87wa/FAQ/IC… We would be very grateful if you could also state your name when speaking as the call will be recorded, transcribed and interpreted. As always, please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any questions or concerns. Thanks, Best regards Alice

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Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
by Manal Ismail 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Fair enough J .. Let's consider this on the call .. Kind Regards --Manal From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:09 PM To: internal-cg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. First one sounds good to me. If you want to avoid negativity, saying "this will be possible..." sounds better than "this won't be possible..." ;-) From: Manal Ismail [mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:19 PM To: Milton L Mueller; internal-cg(a)icann.org Subject: RE: ICG FAQ .. From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] From: Manal Ismail [mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg] [MI]: Noted .. will add it to the new version that is to be circulated shortly .. Although, personally, I would be reluctant to leave the last sentence "But the ICG cannot give these objections any weight if the person made no effort to participate in the operational community-convened process." .. I think it's a bit negative and I don't think it adds .. J Perhaps it does sound a bit negative, but I don't want people to get the (wrong) idea that they can short-circuit the process and appeal to us to get their ideas implemented. Can you think of a better way to phrase it? [MI]: J .. Does any of the following work? - "If you think your ideas have been ignored or not fairly treated in the OC proposal development process, you can express this view directly to the ICG or in the public comment period. But, of course, this will be possible only if you have already participated in the relevant operational community-convened process." or - "If you think your ideas have been ignored or not fairly treated in the OC proposal development process, you can express this view directly to the ICG or in the public comment period. But, of course, this won't be possible unless you have already participated in the relevant operational community-convened process. " Milton L. Mueller Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor Syracuse University School of Information Studies http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/mueller/Home.html <http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/mueller/Home.html>

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Re: [Internal-cg] worth noting
by Alissa Cooper 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Hi Milton, On 9/29/14, 7:00 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller(a)syr.edu> wrote: >I've made some inquiries about this. Apparently the problem is more one >of perception. The CWG made the rather stupid mistake of calling >participants on the email discussion list "observers" rather than >"participants." > >This was an unfortunate choice of words, given that in the CWG consensus >calls are supposed to be based on the email list participants' views. >Only when there is no consensus things will go to the more restricted >"working group" members for a vote. Do you expect there to be further clarification from the CWG on this point? Thanks, Alissa > > >--MM > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- >> bounces(a)icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:25 AM >> To: internal-cg(a)icann.org >> Subject: [Internal-cg] worth noting >> >> A complaint has been filed against the names community's working >> group. >> http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00011.html >> >> Alissa made some similar comments on the IETF ianaplan list. Although >> I have publicly explained why they set it up that way, frankly I find >>the >> CWG Structure hard to defend. I wonder whether others more closely >> involved with the IANA CWG chartering process could explain whether >> it is possible to make some amendments. The group is slow enough to >> form as it is, I tremble at the thought of amendments that would lead >> to further delays, but it might actually save time if it prevents >> challenges to its legitimacy further down the road. >> >> Milton L. Mueller >> Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor Syracuse University School >> of Information Studies >> http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/mueller/Home.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internal-cg mailing list >> Internal-cg(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg >_______________________________________________ >Internal-cg mailing list >Internal-cg(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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Re: [Internal-cg] Provisional ICANN 51 schedule
by Alissa Cooper 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Minor updates are below. We will discuss this briefly on the Oct 1 call. Meeting with ALAC Tuesday, 14 October 15:45-16:45 PT Room: Olympic https://community.icann.org/x/TMLhAg http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/tue-alac-work-ii Speakers: Alissa (ICG intro), TBD (numbers), Martin (names), Jari/Russ H. (protocol parameters) All other available ICG members welcome Meeting with GAC Wednesday, 15 October 10:30-11:30 PT Location TBC Speakers: Alissa (ICG intro), Adiel (numbers), Martin/Milton (names), Jari/Russ H. (protocol parameters) All other available ICG members welcome Community Discussion with the ICG Thursday, 16 October 10:00-12:00 PT Room: Los Angeles http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-icg-community Agenda discussion: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-September/001744.html ICG Dinner Thursday, 16 October 20:15-22:00 PT Location TBC ICG Mtg #3 [2] Friday, 17 October 09:00-17:30 PT Room: Westside http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/fri-icg Patrik, Mohamed, and I will share a draft agenda for this meeting prior to the start of ICANN 51. On 9/25/14, 10:56 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa(a)cooperw.in> wrote: >Here is the provisional schedule for ICANN 51: > >Meeting with ALAC [1] >Tuesday, 14 October 15:45-16:45 PT >Room: Olympic > >https://community.icann.org/x/TMLhAg > >http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/tue-alac-work-ii > > >(Unconfirmed) Meeting with GAC [1] >Wednesday, 15 October 10:30-11:30 PT >Location TBC > >Community Discussion with the ICG [2] >Thursday, 16 October 10:00-12:00 PT >Room: Los Angeles >http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-icg-community > >ICG Dinner >Thursday, 16 October 20:15-22:00 PT >Location TBC > >ICG Mtg #3 [3] >Friday, 17 October 09:00-17:30 PT >Room: Westside >http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/fri-icg > >[1] I have reached out individually to ICG members off-list to ensure that >we have people at each of these meetings who can speak about the processes >being used to develop the names, numbers, and protocol parameters >proposals, respectively, and how to participate in those processes. >Participation from the rest of the ICG members is desirable but not >required if you have scheduling conflicts. I have also reached out to CWG >folks to see if a CWG-ICG meeting might be arranged and will share more >information when I have it. > >[2] Patrik is working on the agenda for this session. > >[3] Patrik, Mohamed, and I will share a draft agenda for this meeting >prior to the start of ICANN 51. > >Alissa > > >_______________________________________________ >Internal-cg mailing list >Internal-cg(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
by Elise Gerich 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Manal, Many thanks to you and your colleagues on the committee for drafting the FAQ. Question #4 quotes SAC 067 in answer to ³What are the IANA functions? ³ I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA¹s contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship. For example, NTIA¹s description of the functions in the contract (C.1.1) states: ³The US Department of Commerce (DoC), National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) has initiated this contract to maintain the continuity and stability of services related to certain interdependent Internet technical management functions, known collectively as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)." In particular Section C.2.9 of the IANA functions contract describes the functions for which NTIA is a steward. The contract is easily found on NTIA¹s website: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order or on the ICANN website: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/contract-01oct12-en.pdf Best regards, -- Elise From: Manal Ismail <manal(a)tra.gov.eg> Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 11:16 AM To: "internal-cg(a)icann.org" <internal-cg(a)icann.org> Subject: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. > Dear All .. > > Please find attached, and in dropbox, a draft FAQ we (Martin, Patrik, Mohamed, > Alissa & myself) have prepared to be discussed on the upcoming call .. > This is supposed to be a living document .. So the target is to come up with > an initial agreed version rather than an exhaustive complete one .. > > Looking forward to receiving your feedback over email and/or during the call > .. > > Kind Regards > --Manal

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Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
by Joe Alhadeff 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Are some of the questions more suite to ICANN accountability? They are obviously relevant to us, but I'm no sure we lead on all these issues? ----- Original Message ----- From: manal(a)tra.gov.eg To: paf(a)frobbit.se, kavouss.arasteh(a)gmail.com Cc: internal-cg(a)icann.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:01:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. Many thanks Mr. Arasteh for your feedback .. I have to agree with Patrik that it would be extremely helpful if you can suggest concrete questions and answers .. Furthermore, I believe the excellent points you raise below should be addressed through the proposals we are expecting to receive .. I do not think we should pre-empt what the community will ultimately reach and express views through this FAQ .. Your questions also tackle issues that are being handled through other processes, e.g. the ICANN accountability process .. Hope the above provides a satisfactory explanation as to why we did not include questions along your below suggestions .. Kind Regards --Manal From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:11 AM To: Kavouss Arasteh Cc: internal-cg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. On 29 sep 2014, at 23:22, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh(a)gmail.com > wrote: Nothing refernced about the VERISIGN and its relatiion with the replacement of NTIA ? Nothing mentioned about who would be the global community? would it be ICANN ? Nothing mentioned about to whom ICANN would be accountable in future after NTIA? Nothing mentioned about who will replace NTIA in reality ? Is it ICANN Nothing mentioned about the need or otherwise an oversight institution or entity Kavouss, please be concrete and suggest question(s) and answers to be added to the FAQ. Patrik

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Invitation to the IETF meeting in Honolulu
by Jari Arkko 29 Sep '14

29 Sep '14

All, As you know, our next meeting at the IETF is coming up, November 9-14 in Honolulu. We will have many interesting topics on the agenda, including a meeting of the IANAPLAN working group. Also, as you may know, for several years we have had a program that brings people from policy and regulator spaces to IETF meetings. This is an ISOC program and part of their support for the IETF. The goal of the program is to connect engineering and policy worlds better together. The program usually consists of introductory sessions, discussion with experts on specific areas (for instance, we talked about IANA at length with the previous group in Toronto), and participation in the working group sessions. We were initially not planning to do this in Honolulu, but we have now decided to invite a small group. Given the ongoing discussion about transition, we thought that some of you might be interested. The meeting runs for the full week, but in the policy guest group we always focus on the first part of the week (Sun-Wed). If you have not been to an IETF meeting before, have an ability to attend, and would be interested, please contact Sally Wentworth <wentworth(a)isoc.org> for details. Limited travel support may also be available. Jari Arkko IETF Chair IETF meeting page: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/index.html ISOC policy program web page: http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programm…

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