Inpiut for Guidance to the Operational Communities Regarding Comments to the ICG
Here is what I would write: The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. Daniel
That sounds perfect. Thanks Daniel. jari On 28 Jan 2015, at 14:08, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
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DearDaniel, Dear All, I think we have agreed that 1. Manal kindly prepare a Framework of the draft. 2. Share that draft with all ICG members 3. Finalize the draft on e-mail reflector 4. ICG agrees to the draft with consensus 5. Alissa send it out I think that this is a proper course of action to be followed.. This was agreed and we need to respect the agreement regardless of our individual views Regards Kavouss 2015-01-28 21:19 GMT+01:00 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>:
That sounds perfect. Thanks Daniel.
jari
On 28 Jan 2015, at 14:08, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your
proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will
explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
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On 28.01.15 21:52 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
DearDaniel, Dear All, I think we have agreed that 1. Manal kindly prepare a Framework of the draft. 2. Share that draft with all ICG members 3. Finalize the draft on e-mail reflector 4. ICG agrees to the draft with consensus 5. Alissa send it out I think that this is a proper course of action to be followed.. This was agreed and we need to respect the agreement regardless of our individual views Regards Kavouss
Kavouss, thank you for explaining your perception of what we agreed at the previous meeting. It is quite congruent with my perception as far as Manal's action item is concerned. However I was not speaking to Manal's action item, but rather to Alissa's action item regarding a response to questions from the numbers community. My intention is to provide helpful input to Alissa regarding the response based on my perception of the discussion at our last meeting. My recollection is that we agreed that the numbers community deserves a response before we have concluded the discussion Manal is leading and that we asked Alissa to send this response. I also plan to provide coherently worded input to Manal for her action item as soon as my current travel permits. Regards Daniel
Thanks Daniel for your clarification .. In fact I was also wondering whether this is intended as part of the process .. Glad you have explained .. Will share the current draft and await your and others' input .. Kind Regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:49 AM To: Kavouss Arasteh; Jari Arkko Cc: IANA etc etc Coordination Group Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Inpiut for Guidance to the Operational Communities Regarding Comments to the ICG On 28.01.15 21:52 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
DearDaniel, Dear All, I think we have agreed that 1. Manal kindly prepare a Framework of the draft. 2. Share that draft with all ICG members 3. Finalize the draft on e-mail reflector 4. ICG agrees to the draft with consensus 5. Alissa send it out I think that this is a proper course of action to be followed.. This was agreed and we need to respect the agreement regardless of our individual views Regards Kavouss
Kavouss, thank you for explaining your perception of what we agreed at the previous meeting. It is quite congruent with my perception as far as Manal's action item is concerned. However I was not speaking to Manal's action item, but rather to Alissa's action item regarding a response to questions from the numbers community. My intention is to provide helpful input to Alissa regarding the response based on my perception of the discussion at our last meeting. My recollection is that we agreed that the numbers community deserves a response before we have concluded the discussion Manal is leading and that we asked Alissa to send this response. I also plan to provide coherently worded input to Manal for her action item as soon as my current travel permits. Regards Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Thanks Daniel. I took an action item on the call to draft text to let the IETF and RIR communities know what our expectations are as far as handling comments received after they submitted their proposals to us. Specifically, we need to respond to this message: https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000370.html. I’d like to send the same response to the IETF IANAPLAN WG. I like your text below, but I would shorten it and clarify slightly as follows: --- The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. — If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC. Alissa On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
I'm ok with the text but wonder whether the providers of the comments shouldn't be informed about how their comments are going to be handled. This could be done eg with sending a corresponding note to the forum list. Regards Wolf-Ulrich Sent from my personal phone
Am 29.01.2015 um 19:16 schrieb Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>:
Thanks Daniel.
I took an action item on the call to draft text to let the IETF and RIR communities know what our expectations are as far as handling comments received after they submitted their proposals to us. Specifically, we need to respond to this message: https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000370.html. I’d like to send the same response to the IETF IANAPLAN WG.
I like your text below, but I would shorten it and clarify slightly as follows:
---
The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
—
If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC.
Alissa
On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
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Alissa, I support the text below, with one caveat. I am assuming that we of the ICG are committed to reading these comments – do you think it needs to be said as well? --MM The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. — If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC. Alissa On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net<mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net>> wrote: Here is what I would write: The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
I also support Alissa's text. Best, jon On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Alissa, I support the text below, with one caveat. I am assuming that we of the ICG are committed to reading these comments – do you think it needs to be said as well? --MM
The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
—
If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC.
Alissa
On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
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Dear All While I have no concerns about Alissa,s text I do not agree the the decision made to Assign the task to Manal be overrides by Any body nor overturned Any text should proposed by Manal No coup d, etat is allowed Kaviuss Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Jan 2015, at 13:38, Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co> wrote:
I also support Alissa's text. Best, jon
On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Alissa, I support the text below, with one caveat. I am assuming that we of the ICG are committed to reading these comments – do you think it needs to be said as well? --MM
The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
—
If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC.
Alissa
On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
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Kavouss - No decision is being overridden. Manal and I took two separate actions on the call. The text below is specifically to address the comments previously forwarded to the IETF and RIR working groups. We have a specific request for clarification from the CRISP team that we need to respond to promptly. Milton - Agreed, I have added a note about that in the text below. Wolf-Ulrich - Agree with your suggestion to send this to the forum as well. Alissa — The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. If the ICG is aware of the comments. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. — On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All While I have no concerns about Alissa,s text I do not agree the the decision made to Assign the task to Manal be overrides by Any body nor overturned Any text should proposed by Manal No coup d, etat is allowed Kaviuss Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Jan 2015, at 13:38, Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co> wrote:
I also support Alissa's text. Best, jon
On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Alissa, I support the text below, with one caveat. I am assuming that we of the ICG are committed to reading these comments – do you think it needs to be said as well? --MM
The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
—
If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC.
Alissa
On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
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I have sent a version of the text below to the IANAPLAN and CRISP mailing lists, and to the ICG forum. Alissa On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Kavouss - No decision is being overridden. Manal and I took two separate actions on the call. The text below is specifically to address the comments previously forwarded to the IETF and RIR working groups. We have a specific request for clarification from the CRISP team that we need to respond to promptly.
Milton - Agreed, I have added a note about that in the text below.
Wolf-Ulrich - Agree with your suggestion to send this to the forum as well.
Alissa
— The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG is aware of the comments. If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. —
On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All While I have no concerns about Alissa,s text I do not agree the the decision made to Assign the task to Manal be overrides by Any body nor overturned Any text should proposed by Manal No coup d, etat is allowed Kaviuss Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Jan 2015, at 13:38, Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co> wrote:
I also support Alissa's text. Best, jon
On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Alissa, I support the text below, with one caveat. I am assuming that we of the ICG are committed to reading these comments – do you think it needs to be said as well? --MM
The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to you from http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
—
If folks agree with this, I will send notes to the two lists on Jan 30 after 20:00 UTC.
Alissa
On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
Here is what I would write:
The ICG suggests that you take all comments made to the ICG about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were made inside your process and address them as you normally would. This may include discussing the response in your appropriate fora. In particular we suggest that you respond to the comments as you normally would, preferably in public.
If the ICG has specific questions to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have.
Daniel
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On 31.01.15 2:09 , Alissa Cooper wrote:
I have sent a version of the text below to the IANAPLAN and CRISP mailing lists, and to the ICG forum. Alissa
Thanks. For the record: This totally works for me. Daniel Anecdotal: I am in Dubai at the moment and I apparently cannot access the ICANN forum from the hotel network. It works when I tunnel via home. Daniel
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