In any case, the Boards decision to change the status of the whole process before the trip to Bolivia, seems a "faux pass" to me . Or maybe the trip was cancelled because of the Boards early move????? It could not be less transparent. I keep waiting for a copy of the PICs and see what do you get for $10million. In any case, better to give the money to the people of the Amazon bassinet, than putting it on the auction fund and have it taxes at 35% Carlos On December 3, 2018 9:02:19 AM CST, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:

The letter was ICANN org's Pontius Pilate move; "we find no fault and we wash our hands of it". Notice how it laid out all its burdens. You didn't see the word ' you ingrates' but it could have very well been plastered in the subject header.

First of all, realpolitik. The .amazon delegation was a foregone conclusion. Why? Because the extant ICANN rules, nominative facts on the ground and the commercial realities makes it so. The political reality is ICANN Org cannot make the ACTO countries a supra-GAC. When the GAC decision was to ask ICANN org to 'facilitate' the negotiations between the parties, that was the GAC's 'duck and run' signal.

I take a bet the Reconsideration Request will, after a decent interval and without missing a beat in the current delegation process, be also politely dismissed on a burden of facts.

If I were advising ACTO I would tell them to bitch and moan a little more, quietly and grudgingly accept Amazon's latest proffer and declare victory. I would even write the release for the hometown papers for free. [Hint: Go heavy on taking a 2x4 to the head of the giant corporation until they yield to superior reasoning.]

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:13 AM Bartlett Morgan <me@bartlettmorgan.com> wrote:

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On first read, I agree with Carlos. The letter borders on prevarication too much. First, it is suggested that ICANN basically figured everything was good so it gave the go-head. Then a few lines down: the parties were still deliberating this whole time. 😃

That said, is it fair to say that this letter is ICANN ORG washing its hands of the whole thing?

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Thank you Vanda,

after reading this I have the feeling I know less than before ........... yes, but no, but yes?

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Since this is relevant to our region I believe we shall be aware and informed about all details. This document reflects the movements and explain step by step the negotiation during the last 12 months.

Best regards

Happy Hanukkah to all this celebration is relevant.

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Dear Olivier, This is really an interesting point and it is new to me. Maybe now that Amazon.com has diversified into .amazonwebservices .wholefoods .alexa .(face-)rekognition and is moving its headquarters closer to the Pentagon, they are less intersted in the plain .amazon................. But in any case, the letter speaks of a great set of new PICs. I´m on the road and have not been able to see them. Once we know and discuss the PICs, and who negotiated them, and how much money they inlcude (those are the first PIC that carry an explicit prive tag, apparently) and who blessed them, we all will be much wiser. Let´s see if ALAC gets to form its own opinion on theses kindler PICs. So much for a global equal bottom-up multi-stakeholder model for PICs.............. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El 2018-12-03 11:06, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond escribió:

Dear Carlos,

unfortunately, there is a deep deep deep error that stems at the very root of the "Amazon" problem. ICANN keeps on referring to "Amazon" and "Amazon Corporation" - and this is either a serious oversight from the drafter of the letter, or is something else which I shall not comment on - but you decide.

The real name for "Amazon" is Amazon.com Inc.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company) Stock AMZN - https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/amzn

Had they stuck to their original name, they already had their full name under .com. But sometimes in 2011-2012 they changed their trading name to "Amazon" as they started releasing branded products. I am surprised nobody picked on that. In my view, the whole saga between the two (three?) sides is conducted in a very poor way and could have been resolved some time ago. <sigh> Kindest regards,

Olivier

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Thank you Vanda, after reading this I have the feeling I know less than before ........... yes, but no, but yes? --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA

On 2018-12-02 12:39, Vanda Scartezini wrote:

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-ismail-28nov18...

Dear colleagues

Since this is relevant to our region I believe we shall be aware and informed about all details. This document reflects the movements and explain step by step the negotiation during the last 12 months. Best regards

Happy Hanukkah to all this celebration is relevant.

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