Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org Nothing like over time to give equity to things. And as to the Cintra Seorita Sooknanan like to talk about feelings and she "I am accused" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now people Anglophone estn "feeling" that Spanish-speaking people felt since the creation of LACRALO. But stop aques cuestin exalt and weaknesses and work together to grow the region without of the language in which they work. This month we have had two very serious problems regarding Translation An, in addition the eternal problem we have in the lists and of which the Tape Seorita referred in his message today. I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph shall rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the version of Spanish. These problems, Perhaps they were not detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in its version in Englishman! (Same case that HACA I referred to above). Luckily we now have the Translation An Working Group, which is secrete you will be asked to collate all documents LACRALO as one of their subjects of study, and if they find any Unlike the department enven translations of ICANN. This secretary esttrabajando several hours every day (including late week) by and for LACRALO; though I'm not doing anything msy nothing less than fulfill my obligations and honor the commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and incomplete documents LACRALO on the powers and duties for secrete. Also, I want to thank the great help direct and indirect I provide the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels in this arduous job. Living and learning Greetings all, Sylvia P> D = observe that in writing I try to use short sentences and pronouns traduccina personal facilitate Englishman list! Nothing like overtime to give equity to things. And Miss Cintra Sooknanan like to Talk About Feelings and she "Accused me" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now English-speaking people are "Feeling" that the Spanish speakers felt from creating LACRALO. But the point here is to stop exalting and Weaknesses and work together for the region to grow Regardless of the language in Which They work. This month We have had two very serious problems with regard to translation, Addition to the perennial problem in the info we have lists and Of which Miss Tape Referred in his message today. I am Referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, Suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version. These problems, may not Have Been detected before Because my predecessor was only working with documents in the English version! (Same case Referred to I above). Luckily now We have the work of translation WG, this secretary is Which That going to request all documents will LACRALO revised As One of Their subjects of study and That If They will find any difference sent to ICANN Translation department. This secretary is working several hours every day (including weekends) for LACRALO; though I'm doing nothing more and nothing less than my Fulfill Obligations and honor the Commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and the incomplete LACRALO documents on the Powers and Duties of the office of secretary. Also, I do wish to thank the large direct and indirect aid it Gives me the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels In This hard work. Living & Learning Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list! ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org 2009-2012 Secretary FLUI sylvia_leite = Skype Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/303f5a8a3a.html --]]
Que? We do not understand the translated version of your text.... But thank you very much for your usual professionalism and courtesy as a representative of us your colleagues. With respect Cintra Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org Sender: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:43:40 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Reply-To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org Nothing like over time to give equity to things. And as to the Cintra Seorita Sooknanan like to talk about feelings and she "I am accused" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now people Anglophone estn "feeling" that Spanish-speaking people felt since the creation of LACRALO. But stop aques cuestin exalt and weaknesses and work together to grow the region without of the language in which they work. This month we have had two very serious problems regarding Translation An, in addition the eternal problem we have in the lists and of which the Tape Seorita referred in his message today. I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph shall rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the version of Spanish. These problems, Perhaps they were not detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in its version in Englishman! (Same case that HACA I referred to above). Luckily we now have the Translation An Working Group, which is secrete you will be asked to collate all documents LACRALO as one of their subjects of study, and if they find any Unlike the department enven translations of ICANN. This secretary esttrabajando several hours every day (including late week) by and for LACRALO; though I'm not doing anything msy nothing less than fulfill my obligations and honor the commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and incomplete documents LACRALO on the powers and duties for secrete. Also, I want to thank the great help direct and indirect I provide the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels in this arduous job. Living and learning Greetings all, Sylvia P> D = observe that in writing I try to use short sentences and pronouns traduccina personal facilitate Englishman list! Nothing like overtime to give equity to things. And Miss Cintra Sooknanan like to Talk About Feelings and she "Accused me" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now English-speaking people are "Feeling" that the Spanish speakers felt from creating LACRALO. But the point here is to stop exalting and Weaknesses and work together for the region to grow Regardless of the language in Which They work. This month We have had two very serious problems with regard to translation, Addition to the perennial problem in the info we have lists and Of which Miss Tape Referred in his message today. I am Referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, Suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version. These problems, may not Have Been detected before Because my predecessor was only working with documents in the English version! (Same case Referred to I above). Luckily now We have the work of translation WG, this secretary is Which That going to request all documents will LACRALO revised As One of Their subjects of study and That If They will find any difference sent to ICANN Translation department. This secretary is working several hours every day (including weekends) for LACRALO; though I'm doing nothing more and nothing less than my Fulfill Obligations and honor the Commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and the incomplete LACRALO documents on the Powers and Duties of the office of secretary. Also, I do wish to thank the large direct and indirect aid it Gives me the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels In This hard work. Living & Learning Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list! ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org 2009-2012 Secretary FLUI sylvia_leite = Skype Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/303f5a8a3a.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
Hi Sylvia Thanks to my mother, a professional simultaneous interpreter and translator (Spanish/French/Portuguese/English) I was able to read this rather surprising email clearly. The translations (both as sent below and via the list auto translate) were not at all possible to understand. I will not attempt to go into the obvious issues that there seem to be with a representative of an ALS, and I am disappointed by the tone these issues have taken on the list, but there is one issue of FACT that I would like to clarify. The previous Secretariat, far from only considering the documents in English, went to great pains to compare the documents in BOTH languages, and placed several motions on the agenda for the suspended GA in Costa Rica that were intended to correct the discrepancies between the two sets of documents. One of them was precisely to correct the missing paragraph 11.2 as referenced. If you would be willing to check back the emails on the list, you will see that this is fact, not conjecture, and I believe an apology is due to our previous Secretariat, who discharged the duty competently, selflessly, without bias and without complaint for several years. The previous Secretariat spent many hours, nights, weekends and vacation days away from work, home, family and friends, and it's unfair to attempt to tarnish and smear the amazing work that was done by him. Sincerely Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
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Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Nothing like over time to give equity to things.
And as to the Cintra Seorita Sooknanan like to talk about feelings and she "I am accused" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now people Anglophone estn "feeling" that Spanish-speaking people felt since the creation of LACRALO. But stop aques cuestin exalt and weaknesses and work together to grow the region without of the language in which they work.
This month we have had two very serious problems regarding Translation An,
in addition the eternal problem we have in the lists and of which the Tape Seorita referred in his message today.
I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph shall rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the version of Spanish.
These problems, Perhaps they were not detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in its version in Englishman! (Same case that HACA I referred to above).
Luckily we now have the Translation An Working Group, which is secrete you will be asked to collate all documents
LACRALO as one of their subjects of study, and if they find any Unlike the department enven translations of ICANN.
This secretary esttrabajando several hours every day (including late week) by and for LACRALO;
though I'm not doing anything msy nothing less than fulfill my obligations and honor the commitment to this community in April 2012.
I'm trying to understand the rules apply and incomplete documents LACRALO on the powers and duties for secrete.
Also, I want to thank the great help direct and indirect I provide the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels in this arduous job.
Living and learning
Greetings all,
Sylvia
P> D = observe that in writing I try to use short sentences and pronouns traduccina personal facilitate Englishman list!
Nothing like overtime to give equity to things. And Miss Cintra Sooknanan like to Talk About Feelings and she "Accused me" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now English-speaking people are "Feeling" that the Spanish speakers felt from creating LACRALO. But the point here is to stop exalting and Weaknesses and work together for the region to grow Regardless of the language in Which They work. This month We have had two very serious problems with regard to translation, Addition to the perennial problem in the info we have lists and Of which Miss Tape Referred in his message today. I am Referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, Suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version.
These problems, may not Have Been detected before Because my predecessor was only working with documents in the English version! (Same case Referred to I above). Luckily now We have the work of translation WG, this secretary is Which That going to request all documents will LACRALO revised As One of Their subjects of study and That If They will find any difference sent to ICANN Translation department. This secretary is working several hours every day (including weekends) for LACRALO; though I'm doing nothing more and nothing less than my Fulfill Obligations and honor the Commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and the incomplete LACRALO documents on the Powers and Duties of the office of secretary. Also, I do wish to thank the large direct and indirect aid it Gives me the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels In This hard work.
Living & Learning
Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list!
___________________________________________________
Sylvia Herlein
<mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org
2009-2012 Secretary FLUI
sylvia_leite = Skype
Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
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+1. This is a squalid attempt to bring the integrity of the previous Secretariat into disrepute. I find this revisionist attempt to question Dev's competence grotesque. Yes, we have had our troubles with translation and interpretation. And I so hope the translation is incorrect. But the rationale offered by the Secretariat seems to stand on a claim of reverse discrimination. As I read this, it now appears language discrimination is being embraced as an operating principle for the incumbent Secretariat. Now hear this. The working language of ICANN is English. Notwithstanding, the LACRALO organizing document recognized two (2) languages as co-equal in LACRALO activities; English and Spanish. We have worked hard to extract commitments for translation and interpretation services from ICANN. Jacqueline Morris and Cheryl Langdon-Orr as ALAC Chairs were stalwarts in that fight. And yes, our then only assigned staff member, Nick Ashton-Hart agitated constantly on our behalf. Christina Rodriquez came on board as ICANN Language Services Manager and never let up. I shall always remember Carlos Aguirre in this context, how hard he worked to readily access information and, to be understood when speaking. The fight was not just for Carlos but for the many others behind him who might not be able to attend an ICANN meeting but could read of the proceedings and listen to audio translations to help them better understand what was happening in the space. I am simply stunned by this. With respect to policy development, English speakers undoubtedly still do have an advantage; English remains the 'go from' language. What happens in LACRALO around language only affects how we, internally, collaborate. It does not hamper extending the Caribbean voice in ICANN policy development circles. But if the LACRALO shall remain as home for Latin America AND the Caribbean end user interests, then we may not be so marginalized. Acts of omission or commission in this context are equally troublesome. - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote:
Hi Sylvia
Thanks to my mother, a professional simultaneous interpreter and translator (Spanish/French/Portuguese/English) I was able to read this rather surprising email clearly. The translations (both as sent below and via the list auto translate) were not at all possible to understand.
I will not attempt to go into the obvious issues that there seem to be with a representative of an ALS, and I am disappointed by the tone these issues have taken on the list, but there is one issue of FACT that I would like to clarify.
The previous Secretariat, far from only considering the documents in English, went to great pains to compare the documents in BOTH languages, and placed several motions on the agenda for the suspended GA in Costa Rica that were intended to correct the discrepancies between the two sets of documents. One of them was precisely to correct the missing paragraph 11.2 as referenced.
If you would be willing to check back the emails on the list, you will see that this is fact, not conjecture, and I believe an apology is due to our previous Secretariat, who discharged the duty competently, selflessly, without bias and without complaint for several years. The previous Secretariat spent many hours, nights, weekends and vacation days away from work, home, family and friends, and it's unfair to attempt to tarnish and smear the amazing work that was done by him.
Sincerely
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Nothing like over time to give equity to things.
And as to the Cintra Seorita Sooknanan like to talk about feelings and
she
"I am accused" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now people Anglophone estn "feeling" that Spanish-speaking people felt since the creation of LACRALO. But stop aques cuestin exalt and weaknesses and work together to grow the region without of the language in which they work.
This month we have had two very serious problems regarding Translation An,
in addition the eternal problem we have in the lists and of which the Tape Seorita referred in his message today.
I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph shall rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the version of Spanish.
These problems, Perhaps they were not detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in its version in Englishman! (Same case that HACA I referred to above).
Luckily we now have the Translation An Working Group, which is secrete you will be asked to collate all documents
LACRALO as one of their subjects of study, and if they find any Unlike the department enven translations of ICANN.
This secretary esttrabajando several hours every day (including late week) by and for LACRALO;
though I'm not doing anything msy nothing less than fulfill my obligations and honor the commitment to this community in April 2012.
I'm trying to understand the rules apply and incomplete documents LACRALO on the powers and duties for secrete.
Also, I want to thank the great help direct and indirect I provide the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels in this arduous job.
Living and learning
Greetings all,
Sylvia
P> D = observe that in writing I try to use short sentences and pronouns traduccina personal facilitate Englishman list!
Nothing like overtime to give equity to things. And Miss Cintra Sooknanan like to Talk About Feelings and she "Accused me" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now English-speaking people are "Feeling" that the Spanish speakers felt from creating LACRALO. But the point here is to stop exalting and Weaknesses and work together for the region to grow Regardless of the language in Which They work. This month We have had two very serious problems with regard to translation, Addition to the perennial problem in the info we have lists and Of which Miss Tape Referred in his message today. I am Referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, Suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version.
These problems, may not Have Been detected before Because my predecessor was only working with documents in the English version! (Same case Referred to I above). Luckily now We have the work of translation WG, this secretary is Which That going to request all documents will LACRALO revised As One of Their subjects of study and That If They will find any difference sent to ICANN Translation department. This secretary is working several hours every day (including weekends) for LACRALO; though I'm doing nothing more and nothing less than my Fulfill Obligations and honor the Commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and the incomplete LACRALO documents on the Powers and Duties of the office of secretary. Also, I do wish to thank the large direct and indirect aid it Gives me the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels In This hard work.
Living & Learning
Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list!
___________________________________________________
Sylvia Herlein
<mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org
2009-2012 Secretary FLUI
sylvia_leite = Skype
Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
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Well, I keeping out of this, lest I am accused of being disrespectful. I will only say one thing, apart from being a serious outrage, this relentless determination to impose dominance can be accurately described in political terms as nothing more than "imperialism" gone mad. ROK -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Samuels Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 4:25 PM To: Jacqueline Morris Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary +1. This is a squalid attempt to bring the integrity of the previous Secretariat into disrepute. I find this revisionist attempt to question Dev's competence grotesque. Yes, we have had our troubles with translation and interpretation. And I so hope the translation is incorrect. But the rationale offered by the Secretariat seems to stand on a claim of reverse discrimination. As I read this, it now appears language discrimination is being embraced as an operating principle for the incumbent Secretariat. Now hear this. The working language of ICANN is English. Notwithstanding, the LACRALO organizing document recognized two (2) languages as co-equal in LACRALO activities; English and Spanish. We have worked hard to extract commitments for translation and interpretation services from ICANN. Jacqueline Morris and Cheryl Langdon-Orr as ALAC Chairs were stalwarts in that fight. And yes, our then only assigned staff member, Nick Ashton-Hart agitated constantly on our behalf. Christina Rodriquez came on board as ICANN Language Services Manager and never let up. I shall always remember Carlos Aguirre in this context, how hard he worked to readily access information and, to be understood when speaking. The fight was not just for Carlos but for the many others behind him who might not be able to attend an ICANN meeting but could read of the proceedings and listen to audio translations to help them better understand what was happening in the space. I am simply stunned by this. With respect to policy development, English speakers undoubtedly still do have an advantage; English remains the 'go from' language. What happens in LACRALO around language only affects how we, internally, collaborate. It does not hamper extending the Caribbean voice in ICANN policy development circles. But if the LACRALO shall remain as home for Latin America AND the Caribbean end user interests, then we may not be so marginalized. Acts of omission or commission in this context are equally troublesome. - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote:
Hi Sylvia
Thanks to my mother, a professional simultaneous interpreter and translator (Spanish/French/Portuguese/English) I was able to read this rather surprising email clearly. The translations (both as sent below and via the list auto translate) were not at all possible to understand.
I will not attempt to go into the obvious issues that there seem to be with a representative of an ALS, and I am disappointed by the tone these issues have taken on the list, but there is one issue of FACT that I would like to clarify.
The previous Secretariat, far from only considering the documents in English, went to great pains to compare the documents in BOTH languages, and placed several motions on the agenda for the suspended GA in Costa Rica that were intended to correct the discrepancies between the two sets of documents. One of them was precisely to correct the missing paragraph 11.2 as referenced.
If you would be willing to check back the emails on the list, you will see that this is fact, not conjecture, and I believe an apology is due to our previous Secretariat, who discharged the duty competently, selflessly, without bias and without complaint for several years. The previous Secretariat spent many hours, nights, weekends and vacation days away from work, home, family and friends, and it's unfair to attempt to tarnish and smear the amazing work that was done by him.
Sincerely
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Nothing like over time to give equity to things.
And as to the Cintra Seorita Sooknanan like to talk about feelings and
she
"I am accused" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now people Anglophone estn "feeling" that Spanish-speaking people felt since the creation of LACRALO. But stop aques cuestin exalt and weaknesses and work together to grow the region without of the language in which they work.
This month we have had two very serious problems regarding Translation An,
in addition the eternal problem we have in the lists and of which the Tape Seorita referred in his message today.
I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph shall rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the version of Spanish.
These problems, Perhaps they were not detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in its version in Englishman! (Same case that HACA I referred to above).
Luckily we now have the Translation An Working Group, which is secrete you will be asked to collate all documents
LACRALO as one of their subjects of study, and if they find any Unlike the department enven translations of ICANN.
This secretary esttrabajando several hours every day (including late week) by and for LACRALO;
though I'm not doing anything msy nothing less than fulfill my obligations and honor the commitment to this community in April 2012.
I'm trying to understand the rules apply and incomplete documents LACRALO on the powers and duties for secrete.
Also, I want to thank the great help direct and indirect I provide the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels in this arduous job.
Living and learning
Greetings all,
Sylvia
P> D = observe that in writing I try to use short sentences and pronouns traduccina personal facilitate Englishman list!
Nothing like overtime to give equity to things. And Miss Cintra Sooknanan like to Talk About Feelings and she "Accused me" of being a Spanish-speaking secretary, now English-speaking people are "Feeling" that the Spanish speakers felt from creating LACRALO. But the point here is to stop exalting and Weaknesses and work together for the region to grow Regardless of the language in Which They work. This month We have had two very serious problems with regard to translation, Addition to the perennial problem in the info we have lists and Of which Miss Tape Referred in his message today. I am Referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, Suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version.
These problems, may not Have Been detected before Because my predecessor was only working with documents in the English version! (Same case Referred to I above). Luckily now We have the work of translation WG, this secretary is Which That going to request all documents will LACRALO revised As One of Their subjects of study and That If They will find any difference sent to ICANN Translation department. This secretary is working several hours every day (including weekends) for LACRALO; though I'm doing nothing more and nothing less than my Fulfill Obligations and honor the Commitment to this community in April 2012. I'm trying to understand the rules apply and the incomplete LACRALO documents on the Powers and Duties of the office of secretary. Also, I do wish to thank the large direct and indirect aid it Gives me the Staff, Dev Teelucksingh and Carlton Samuels In This hard work.
Living & Learning
Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list!
___________________________________________________
Sylvia Herlein
<mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org
Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org
2009-2012 Secretary FLUI
sylvia_leite = Skype
Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version. These problems, may not have been detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in the English version! (Same case that I referred to above).
Dear Sylvia, I must point out that I identified the differences between the Spanish and English versions of our LACRALO Rules of Procedure in late 2010. After the announcement of the LACRALO Bylaw WG to this list in August 2010, I identified the differences in the language versions to ICANN At-Large Staff who helped to document these differences on the LACRALO wiki and to show to all participants to see the English and Spanish versions of the text of our Operating Principles and Rules of Procedure side by side at https://community.icann.org/x/VAUt . The date of the wiki page on Rule 11 at https://community.icann.org/x/dQUt is October 18 2010. On some of the LACRALO Bylaw WG conference calls that you attended, we went through these very same wiki pages when discussing possible modifications. Also, I proposed six motions for the LACRALO GA in Costa Rica to update our Rules of Procedure to account for the differences in the English and Spanish versions. See https://community.icann.org/x/hpXbAQ for links to: - Motion to update Rule 7.3 of Spanish version of RoP to conform with wording of Rule 7.3 of English version of RoP - Motion to update numbering of Rule 8.1 of RoP - Motion to update Rule 8.2 in Spanish version of RoP to conform with wording of Rule 8.2 in English version of RoP - Motion to update Rule 11.2 in Spanish version of RoP to conform with Rule 11.2 in English version of RoP and update numbering of Rule 11.2 - Motion to update Rule 14.4 of RoP - Motion to modify Rule 12.9 of RoP You had even edited these motions on the wiki to put my name on them in June 2012. See your edit to Rule 11 at https://community.icann.org/x/-aXbAQ as an example. Sincerely, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society
If this were Trinidad and Tobago Politics a motion of no confidence would be submitted immediately and calls for resignation. Is it that we cannot trust what is being stated in writing or the case of a weak memory? A representation of complaining about feelings while expressing pure irrationality? I would like to know, but in any respect it is Lacralo and its faithful members that suffer. I look forward to replies on these emails and issues from our Secretary. Regards Cintra On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
I am referring to the interpretation of Rule 8, suggested by Jose Ovideo and missing paragraph of Rule 11.2 of the Rules of Procedure in the Spanish version. These problems, may not have been detected before because my predecessor only working with documents in the English version! (Same case that I referred to above).
Dear Sylvia,
I must point out that I identified the differences between the Spanish and English versions of our LACRALO Rules of Procedure in late 2010.
After the announcement of the LACRALO Bylaw WG to this list in August 2010, I identified the differences in the language versions to ICANN At-Large Staff who helped to document these differences on the LACRALO wiki and to show to all participants to see the English and Spanish versions of the text of our Operating Principles and Rules of Procedure side by side at https://community.icann.org/x/VAUt .
The date of the wiki page on Rule 11 at https://community.icann.org/x/dQUt is October 18 2010.
On some of the LACRALO Bylaw WG conference calls that you attended, we went through these very same wiki pages when discussing possible modifications.
Also, I proposed six motions for the LACRALO GA in Costa Rica to update our Rules of Procedure to account for the differences in the English and Spanish versions.
See https://community.icann.org/x/hpXbAQ for links to:
- Motion to update Rule 7.3 of Spanish version of RoP to conform with wording of Rule 7.3 of English version of RoP - Motion to update numbering of Rule 8.1 of RoP - Motion to update Rule 8.2 in Spanish version of RoP to conform with wording of Rule 8.2 in English version of RoP - Motion to update Rule 11.2 in Spanish version of RoP to conform with Rule 11.2 in English version of RoP and update numbering of Rule 11.2 - Motion to update Rule 14.4 of RoP - Motion to modify Rule 12.9 of RoP
You had even edited these motions on the wiki to put my name on them in June 2012. See your edit to Rule 11 at https://community.icann.org/x/-aXbAQ as an example.
Sincerely,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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