Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2)
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time. The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence). * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. * * * * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231: stating: * * * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. * * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. * * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: * * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. * * * * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah * The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence. On the residence provides: UK residence * 2.2 * * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. * * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. * * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. * * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? * * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). * * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. * * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. * * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. * * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. * * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. * http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * 4.2 What does domicile mean? * * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: * * You can not be without a domicile. * * You can only have one domicile at a time. * * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. * * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. * * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. * * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. * ** * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. * http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. * * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% *** * * * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland * * * * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) * * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] * * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] * * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] * http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm # III.3. * * * Conclusions * According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region. The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s. So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland. That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name). * * Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC. Regards Arce JosFrancisco President of LACRALO _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c765b40f69.html --]]
Thank you Jose, I know sometimes things get lost in the translation so just to be clear; Is it the opinion of the President of LACRALO that candidate is ineligible or as President of LACRALO you are ruling that the candidate is ineligible and therefore cannot participate in the elections to be our ALAC representative? Best regards Lance On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time.
The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence).
* The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. *
* *
* The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231:
stating:
* *
* 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
* A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. *
* In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: *
* B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
* *
* 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence.
On the residence provides:
UK residence * 2.2 *
* There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. *
* The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
* You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. *
* Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
* 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
* Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). *
* If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
* Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
* Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. *
* You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
* The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
* Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: *
* You can not be without a domicile. *
* You can only have one domicile at a time. *
* You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. *
* Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. *
* Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
* The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. *
**
* Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
* In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. *
* Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
* *
* 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
* *
* III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
* The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] *
* For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] *
* The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] *
http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm# III.3.
* *
* Conclusions *
According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region.
The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s.
So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland.
That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name).
* *
Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC.
Regards
Arce JosFrancisco
President of LACRALO _______________________________________________
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Thank you Jose,
I know sometimes things get lost in the translation so just to be clear; Is it the opinion of the President of LACRALO that candidate is ineligible or as President of LACRALO you are ruling that the candidate is ineligible and therefore cannot participate in the elections to be our ALAC representative?
Best regards
Lance
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time.
The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence).
* The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. *
* *
* The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231:
stating:
* *
* 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
* A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the
absence
of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. *
* In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: *
* B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
* *
* 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence.
On the residence provides:
UK residence * 2.2 *
* There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. *
* The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
* You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. *
* Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
* 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
* Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). *
* If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
* Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
* Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. *
* You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
* The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
* Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: *
* You can not be without a domicile. *
* You can only have one domicile at a time. *
* You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. *
* Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. *
* Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
* The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. *
**
* Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
* In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. *
* Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
* *
* 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
* *
* III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
* The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] *
* For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] *
* The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] *
http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm#II....
* *
* Conclusions *
According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region.
The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s.
So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland.
That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name).
* *
Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine
qudebe
understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC.
Regards
Arce JosFrancisco
President of LACRALO _______________________________________________
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Thank you Jose,
I know sometimes things get lost in the translation so just to be clear; Is it the opinion of the President of LACRALO that candidate is ineligible or as President of LACRALO you are ruling that the candidate is ineligible and therefore cannot participate in the elections to be our ALAC representative?
Best regards
Lance
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time.
The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence).
* The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. *
* *
* The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231:
stating:
* *
* 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
* A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the
absence
of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. *
* In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: *
* B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
* *
* 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence.
On the residence provides:
UK residence * 2.2 *
* There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. *
* The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
* You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. *
* Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
* 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
* Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). *
* If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
* Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
* Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. *
* You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
* The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
* Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: *
* You can not be without a domicile. *
* You can only have one domicile at a time. *
* You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. *
* Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. *
* Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
* The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. *
**
* Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
* In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. *
* Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
* *
* 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
* *
* III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
* The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] *
* For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] *
* The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] *
http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm#II....
* *
* Conclusions *
According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region.
The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s.
So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland.
That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name).
* *
Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine
qudebe
understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC.
Regards
Arce JosFrancisco
President of LACRALO _______________________________________________
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Jose Arch, You are out of order. If LACRALO is to decide this then all the members must vote. You cannot single-handedly declare Humberto not meet the requirements when he does. You said it. His home is in Chile not UK and therefore his place of residence is in Chile not UK. He is merely staying in the UK for a while. What are we in here? A dictatorship? What qualifies you to make such a pronouncement? Are you a judge in a case. This is a simple matter of opinion and you stated your opinion. In law you are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Apart from dictionary meaning you must also go back to the transcripts, notes and any documents of the meeting to try to ascertain what was the intention of the meeting that made the decision. You have not done this in your pronouncement and this makes your purported judgment flawed. Getting really tired of this nonsense. A chairman that does not understand his role. ROK -----Original Message----- From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:09 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2) [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time. The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence). * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. * * * * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231: stating: * * * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. * * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. * * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: * * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. * * * * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah * The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence. On the residence provides: UK residence * 2.2 * * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. * * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. * * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. * * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? * * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). * * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. * * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. * * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. * * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. * * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. * http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * 4.2 What does domicile mean? * * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: * * You can not be without a domicile. * * You can only have one domicile at a time. * * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. * * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. * * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. * * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. * ** * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. * http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. * * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% *** * * * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland * * * * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) * * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] * * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] * * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] * http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm # III.3. * * * Conclusions * According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region. The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s. So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland. That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name). * * Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC. Regards Arce JosFrancisco President of LACRALO _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c765b40f69.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5201 - Release Date: 08/14/12
Hi Roosevelt Jose Arce is the elected Chair of LACRALO and the position deserves to be spoken to with some level of respect. There is no need to be so rude and disrespectful in your communications. I'm sure you can get your point across in a more moderate way.. We are all volunteers here to be do work, and we need respectful communication. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
Jose Arch,
You are out of order. If LACRALO is to decide this then all the members must vote. You cannot single-handedly declare Humberto not meet the requirements when he does. You said it. His home is in Chile not UK and therefore his place of residence is in Chile not UK. He is merely staying in the UK for a while.
What are we in here? A dictatorship? What qualifies you to make such a pronouncement? Are you a judge in a case. This is a simple matter of opinion and you stated your opinion. In law you are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Apart from dictionary meaning you must also go back to the transcripts, notes and any documents of the meeting to try to ascertain what was the intention of the meeting that made the decision. You have not done this in your pronouncement and this makes your purported judgment flawed.
Getting really tired of this nonsense. A chairman that does not understand his role.
ROK
-----Original Message----- From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:09 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2)
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Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time.
The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence).
* The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. *
* *
* The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231:
stating:
* *
* 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
* A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. *
* In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: *
* B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
* *
* 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence.
On the residence provides:
UK residence * 2.2 *
* There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. *
* The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
* You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. *
* Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
* 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
* Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). *
* If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
* Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
* Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. *
* You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
* The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
* Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: *
* You can not be without a domicile. *
* You can only have one domicile at a time. *
* You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. *
* Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. *
* Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
* The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. *
**
* Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
* In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. *
* Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
* *
* 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
* *
* III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
* The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] *
* For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] *
* The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] *
http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm # III.3.
* *
* Conclusions *
According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region.
The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s.
So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland.
That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name).
* *
Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC.
Regards
Arce JosFrancisco
President of LACRALO _______________________________________________
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Hi Jacqueline, My Humble apologies. This is really too painful to bear. I think I will excuse myself. Furthermore, I am disagreeing with Carlton that the Chair has a right to interpret rules carte blanche. The authority for interpretation of rules rests in the general body of any organisation and not in the Chairman. The Chair does not have the authority to send the general body asunder then for individual members to be petitioning against a ruling. If there is division about the interpretation, then the question should be put to the general body. There is no reason for the chair to stick his neck out like this. Those who feel that Humberto can do a good job from where he is should be able to vote for him. Those who don't can vote for somebody else. Simple. If Humberto is allowed to vote, which influences the decisions of LACRALO, I don't see how you can exclude him from being nominated. This is one factor that deems him eligible over all other factors. ROK -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:30 AM To: Webmaster Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2) Hi Roosevelt Jose Arce is the elected Chair of LACRALO and the position deserves to be spoken to with some level of respect. There is no need to be so rude and disrespectful in your communications. I'm sure you can get your point across in a more moderate way.. We are all volunteers here to be do work, and we need respectful communication. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
Jose Arch,
You are out of order. If LACRALO is to decide this then all the members must vote. You cannot single-handedly declare Humberto not meet the requirements when he does. You said it. His home is in Chile not UK and therefore his place of residence is in Chile not UK. He is merely staying in the UK for a while.
What are we in here? A dictatorship? What qualifies you to make such a pronouncement? Are you a judge in a case. This is a simple matter of opinion and you stated your opinion. In law you are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Apart from dictionary meaning you must also go back to the transcripts, notes and any documents of the meeting to try to ascertain what was the intention of the meeting that made the decision. You have not done this in your pronouncement and this makes your purported judgment flawed.
Getting really tired of this nonsense. A chairman that does not understand his role.
ROK
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Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated time.
The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the residence) and defines residence as one of the components the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of remain there (in residence).
* The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and civil. *
* *
* The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See Pgina 231:
stating:
* *
* 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
* A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of seat in a particular location. *
* In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has pronounced setting: *
* B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
* *
* 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the United Kingdom (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and distinguishing between home and residence.
On the residence provides:
UK residence * 2.2 *
* There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important consideration. *
* The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically present in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for 183 days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
* You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER than 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your your work life and social connections. *
* Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
* 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
* Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part 4). *
* If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are here. When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
* Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be Properly Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
* Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode of life here from the start. *
* You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
* The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an Important When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and leaving the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
* Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many Things Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown below: *
* You can not be without a domicile. *
* You can only have one domicile at a time. *
* You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You Have your permanent home. *
* Your domicile will continue Existing Until You acquire a new one. *
* Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
* The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not to you are domiciled in the UK. *
**
* Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
* Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And This is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not a UK domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain permanently. *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
* In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left it, if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have Not Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place of incorporation. *
* Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
* *
* 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
* *
* III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
* The address of a person at the time of birth (home of origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child marriage. [] *
* For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the time missing any of these requirements are reapplied old home rule. [] *
* The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, for example, an international instrument to which the UK is party. [..] *
http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm # III.3.
* *
* Conclusions *
According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of principal residence in different passes of the region.
The rules defining residence quse * means * and which we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two separate and distinct concepts between s.
So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies PhD) is in Scotland.
That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these passes a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of same name).
* *
Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe understood by residence, all of uniform considered two separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the election process that is open for the position of LACRALO representative to ALAC.
Regards
Arce JosFrancisco
President of LACRALO _______________________________________________
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
the Chair has a right to interpret rules carte blanche.
We do not accept our Chair as if he was the Bishop of Rome; infallible in all things. As the presiding officer, the Chair's principal role is to interpret rules but not 'carte blanche'. He is constrained by the RoP in the first instance. Here's the good thing. Every other member also has an unfettered right to interpret said rules. And since for our purposes, the Chair is and must be a member in ordinary, every other member has the right to challenge any and every interpretation of the Chair. Here's the kicker. Every member retains the absolute right to petition every other member to your point of view. We call that a vote. I say again, if you fell aggrieved by the declaration, then there is a remedy. Exercise it if you must. - CAS ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
Carlton, My understanding of a petition is that you have a grievance. Then you have to get a certain amount of members to agree to back the petition before it becomes valid. This depends on so many factors that for a chair to make a decision that requires members to petition should be a decision of a serious nature and not one so simplistic and obvious that does not even require a decision by the Chair. The Chair is sticking his neck out and I am not going to validate executive authority where it does not exist. ROK From: Carlton Samuels Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:49 PM To: Webmaster Cc: Jacqueline Morris ; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2) On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote: the Chair has a right to interpret rules carte blanche. We do not accept our Chair as if he was the Bishop of Rome; infallible in all things. As the presiding officer, the Chair's principal role is to interpret rules but not 'carte blanche'. He is constrained by the RoP in the first instance. Here's the good thing. Every other member also has an unfettered right to interpret said rules. And since for our purposes, the Chair is and must be a member in ordinary, every other member has the right to challenge any and every interpretation of the Chair. Here's the kicker. Every member retains the absolute right to petition every other member to your point of view. We call that a vote. I say again, if you fell aggrieved by the declaration, then there is a remedy. Exercise it if you must. - CAS ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5204 - Release Date: 08/16/12
ROK, If I follow your argument, nobody has the responsibility to see the RoP is obeyed. And in the case of a breach, everybody has a duty to sit on their hands. No my brother, somebody must make the call. That is a role for the presiding officer. And if you disagree on the call, we have a way to resolve that disagreement. Call for a division and count the votes. - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
Carlton,
My understanding of a petition is that you have a grievance. Then you have to get a certain amount of members to agree to back the petition before it becomes valid. This depends on so many factors that for a chair to make a decision that requires members to petition should be a decision of a serious nature and not one so simplistic and obvious that does not even require a decision by the Chair. The Chair is sticking his neck out and I am not going to validate executive authority where it does not exist.
ROK
*From:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:49 PM *To:* Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> *Cc:* Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> ; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
the Chair has a right to interpret rules carte blanche.
We do not accept our Chair as if he was the Bishop of Rome; infallible in all things.
As the presiding officer, the Chair's principal role is to interpret rules but not 'carte blanche'. He is constrained by the RoP in the first instance.
Here's the good thing. Every other member also has an unfettered right to interpret said rules.
And since for our purposes, the Chair is and must be a member in ordinary, every other member has the right to challenge any and every interpretation of the Chair.
Here's the kicker. Every member retains the absolute right to petition every other member to your point of view. We call that a vote.
I say again, if you fell aggrieved by the declaration, then there is a remedy. Exercise it if you must.
- CAS
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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So let's stop punting back and forth. Jose by this email I consider your position based on icann staff's opinion and based on the division of opinion ...request that you and our secretary initiate a vote on the inclusion or removal of the candidate. Regards Cintra Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sender: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:29:39 To: Webmaster<rok@bango.org.bb> Cc: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2) ROK, If I follow your argument, nobody has the responsibility to see the RoP is obeyed. And in the case of a breach, everybody has a duty to sit on their hands. No my brother, somebody must make the call. That is a role for the presiding officer. And if you disagree on the call, we have a way to resolve that disagreement. Call for a division and count the votes. - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
Carlton,
My understanding of a petition is that you have a grievance. Then you have to get a certain amount of members to agree to back the petition before it becomes valid. This depends on so many factors that for a chair to make a decision that requires members to petition should be a decision of a serious nature and not one so simplistic and obvious that does not even require a decision by the Chair. The Chair is sticking his neck out and I am not going to validate executive authority where it does not exist.
ROK
*From:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:49 PM *To:* Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> *Cc:* Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> ; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
the Chair has a right to interpret rules carte blanche.
We do not accept our Chair as if he was the Bishop of Rome; infallible in all things.
As the presiding officer, the Chair's principal role is to interpret rules but not 'carte blanche'. He is constrained by the RoP in the first instance.
Here's the good thing. Every other member also has an unfettered right to interpret said rules.
And since for our purposes, the Chair is and must be a member in ordinary, every other member has the right to challenge any and every interpretation of the Chair.
Here's the kicker. Every member retains the absolute right to petition every other member to your point of view. We call that a vote.
I say again, if you fell aggrieved by the declaration, then there is a remedy. Exercise it if you must.
- CAS
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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José Francisco Arce
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