"Traditionally, ⟨ß⟩ did not have a capital form, although some type designers introduced de facto capitalized variants. In 2017, the Council for German Orthography officially adopted a capital, ⟨ẞ⟩, into German orthography, ending a long orthographic debate.[3] ⟨ß⟩ was encoded by ECMA-94 (1985) at position 223 (hexadecimal DF), inherited by Latin-1 and Unicode (U+00DF ß LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S).[4] The HTML entity ß was introduced with HTML 2.0 (1995). The capital (U+1E9E ẞ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S) was encoded by ISO 10646 in 2008." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F Best, Meikal Am 30. Juli 2021, 00:38 +0200 schrieb Hazem Hezzah via Latingp <latingp@icann.org>:
Seems that I made this confusion by suggesting to name it “Sharp S” only. As far as I know there is no Capital Sharp S. In the Unicode Standard that Mats sent there is no Capital Sharp S mentioned. In the other document it is called “Small Letter Sharp S”, but in the rest of the document only “Sharp S”
Let’s hear Meikal and Michael’s opinion.
Reagrds, Hazem Hezzah
From: Mats Dufberg via Latingp Sent: 29 July 2021 23:41 To: ICANN Latin GP Subject: Re: [Latingp] U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
In the main document nothing needs to be updated. In the appendix D.5 some instances needs to be corrected. I have in those cases added "Small" a proposed edit.
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From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> Date: Thursday, 29 July 2021 at 22:20 To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>, ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
I searched through the main document. Either it is referred to as "Latin Small Letter Sharp S" (10 times, 1 time in upper case) or "Sharp S" (14 times). I cannot find any "Latin Letter Sharp S". In appendix D.5 all three variants are used. There we should replace "Latin Letter Sharp S" with "Latin Small Letter Sharp S" to be consistent. In running text where the name is used several times it should be OK with the shorter "Sharp S".
Mats
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From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply to: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Thursday, 29 July 2021 at 19:09 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> Subject: Re: [Latingp] U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
If so, we will need to go thru the whole document and change it. Because I believe we generally used just "Latin Letter Sharp S".
But perhaps the German speakers can comment on how the Sharp S is viewed by those who actually use it.
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On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 10:05:30 AM PDT, Mats Dufberg via Latingp <latingp@icann.org> wrote:
I think it should be LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S. See https://codepoints.net/U+00DF and https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0080.pdf (page 4)
Mats
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