I have updated the comments in the repertoire table on the code points that proposed and not proposed, respectively, to be included in MSR3. Three code points that we have in our table have been dismissed by IP. I have changed those to "needs review". Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org> Date: Thursday 18 January 2018 at 07:00 To: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Cc: "integrationpanel@icann.org" <integrationpanel@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR Dear Mirjana, Latin GP members, Please find below the message from the Integration Panel. Regards, Sarmad ========= The IP is pleased to acknowledge the input from the Chinese, Japanese and Latin GPs to the MSR-3 update of the Maximal Starting Repertoire. MSR-3 has just been released for public comment<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-3-2018-01-17-en> and contains an updated listing of code points as well as the rationale for including or excluding particular code points. Based on the input received, the IP has extended the list of source sets for the Han ideographs with the net effect of adding three code points. The IP has added three Latin code points because new evidence provided invalidated the original rationale for their exclusion. An additional three Latin code points representing clicks were not included because the original rationale for their exclusion remains valid. For details see the overview document of MSR-3. Integration Panel 1. MSR-3 (HTML<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...>, XML<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...>) 2. MSR-3-Annotated-Hangul-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-hangul-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.12 MB] 3. MSR-3-Annotated-Han-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-han-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 39 MB] 4. MSR-3-Annotated-non-CJK-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-non-cjk-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 2.16 MB] 5. MSR-3-Overview and Rationale<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-overview-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.1 MB] From: Mirjana Tasić [mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 11:07 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org> Cc: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR Dear Sarmad, After further investigation of Latin Repertoire, Latin GP has found one additional code point which is not included in our previous proposal for inclusion in the new version of MSR. Please find enclosed the new version of our Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in the next version of MSR. Regards Mirjana

Dear colleagues, I was trying to look for a specific reason why those code points representing click sounds have been excluded. Looking at the text of MSR-3, I was able to find only the following line of argumentation on page 23: "In general, where code points are homoglyphs or near homoglyphs of code points that are not PVALID, usually punctuation characters, the Integration Panel has not included such code points in the MSR. In particular, the following code points are highly confusable with or outright homoglyphs of code points, such as common punctuation characters like apostrophe or exclamation mark, that are not PVALID in IDNA2008 or excluded for other reasons:" I don't see however how the main argument that the code points we suggested are homogylphs or near homogylphs of such characters they consider punctuation characters. That argument may be valid in the case of U01C3 or U0242, but not the three code points we suggested. I think that this stance taken by IP is overly conservative and reinforces certain systemic biases in the DNS as part of the internet and that the entire point of our task is precisely to put and end to such biases and therefore I would like to raise this issue again. I would suggest we submit a comment asking what their specific rationale for excluding these three code points is, and that clearly U01C2 for example is NOT a homogylph or near homoglyph of any punctuation character, just as U01C0 and U01C1. Otherwise, I would like to argue that following their approach 0069 (i.e. i) as well as any "near homoglyph" of it is a near homogylph of the exclamation mark and should be excluded equally. Also, I have started working on the proposal, Bill, and I would like to add your text to it and I don't think it should be an appendix. Best, Meikal On 19 January 2018 at 00:50, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> wrote:

Hello all,

Earlier this week, I had been drafting a possible Appendix D for our final report, to discuss the overall issue of clicks and stops. (And it is a VERY rough draft. Note, for example, that the various RFCs and other documents are not yet identified.)

With this reply from the IP, it seems like the question may be better addressed in comments on MSR-3. But I have attached what I had for those who may be interested.

Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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*Cc:* "integrationpanel@icann.org" <integrationpanel@icann.org> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR

Dear Mirjana, Latin GP members,

Please find below the message from the Integration Panel.

Regards, Sarmad

=========

The IP is pleased to acknowledge the input from the Chinese, Japanese and Latin GPs to the MSR-3 update of the Maximal Starting Repertoire. MSR-3 has just been released for public comment <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-3-2018-01-17-en> and contains an updated listing of code points as well as the rationale for including or excluding particular code points. Based on the input received, the IP has extended the list of source sets for the Han ideographs with the net effect of adding three code points. The IP has added three Latin code points because new evidence provided invalidated the original rationale for their exclusion. An additional three Latin code points representing clicks were not included because the original rationale for their exclusion remains valid. For details see the overview document of MSR-3.

Integration Panel

1. MSR-3 (HTML <https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...> , XML <https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...> ) 2. MSR-3-Annotated-Hangul-Tables <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-hangul-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.12 MB] 3. MSR-3-Annotated-Han-Tables <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-han-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 39 MB] 4. MSR-3-Annotated-non-CJK-Tables <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-non-cjk-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 2.16 MB] 5. MSR-3-Overview and Rationale <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-overview-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.1 MB]

*From:* Mirjana Tasić [mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs] *Sent:* Tuesday, January 09, 2018 11:07 PM *To:* Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org> *Cc:* Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> *Subject:* [Ext] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR

Dear Sarmad,

After further investigation of Latin Repertoire, Latin GP has found one additional code point which is not included in our previous proposal for inclusion in the new version of MSR.

Please find enclosed the new version of our Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in the next version of MSR.

Regards Mirjana

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Bill, Some comments on your document: Click sounds are uncommon in European languages (but they are common sounds in non-verbal communication), but velar stops are very common, e.g. "k" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_stop). Implossives are, however an example of sounds uncommon in European languages, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_bilabial_implosive. For that U+0253 ("ɓ") is often used. I think that you mean RFC 6912 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6912). I think it is incorrect, or not fully proper, to say that the RFC "DISALLOWs" anything. (There is an IDN property "DISALLOWED" meaning something else.) The RFC is an "Informational" RFC, which means that it is not a formal standard. It is IAB of IETF that stands behind the RFC. There probably other decisions on the way to IP. IP has interpret things in their way to come to the conclusion that limits our working group. You write that the RFC disallows "the use of punctuation marks in domain names". The IDNA standard, as specified in RFC 5892, almost all code points classified in Unicode as "punctution" is alread DISALLOWED. What you mean is that other code points, often being modifier letters in Unicode, but identical or resembling a punctuation should not be use, especially not in TLD names, according to RFC 6912. It is not fully clear that "ǃ" (U+U01C3), being a homoglyph of "!" (U+0021) would create a larger security risk than allowing confusingly similar characters without variant control, e.g. "ĕ" (U+0115) and "ě" (U+0118). Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Friday 19 January 2018 at 01:11 To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR Hello all, Earlier this week, I had been drafting a possible Appendix D for our final report, to discuss the overall issue of clicks and stops. (And it is a VERY rough draft. Note, for example, that the various RFCs and other documents are not yet identified.) With this reply from the IP, it seems like the question may be better addressed in comments on MSR-3. But I have attached what I had for those who may be interested. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org> To: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Cc: "integrationpanel@icann.org" <integrationpanel@icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR Dear Mirjana, Latin GP members, Please find below the message from the Integration Panel. Regards, Sarmad ========= The IP is pleased to acknowledge the input from the Chinese, Japanese and Latin GPs to the MSR-3 update of the Maximal Starting Repertoire. MSR-3 has just been released for public comment<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-3-2018-01-17-en> and contains an updated listing of code points as well as the rationale for including or excluding particular code points. Based on the input received, the IP has extended the list of source sets for the Han ideographs with the net effect of adding three code points. The IP has added three Latin code points because new evidence provided invalidated the original rationale for their exclusion. An additional three Latin code points representing clicks were not included because the original rationale for their exclusion remains valid. For details see the overview document of MSR-3. Integration Panel 1. MSR-3 (HTML<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...>, XML<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/msr/msr-3-wle-rules-1...>) 2. MSR-3-Annotated-Hangul-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-hangul-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.12 MB] 3. MSR-3-Annotated-Han-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-han-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 39 MB] 4. MSR-3-Annotated-non-CJK-Tables<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-non-cjk-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 2.16 MB] 5. MSR-3-Overview and Rationale<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-3-overview-15jan18-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.1 MB] From: Mirjana Tasić [mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 11:07 PM To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org> Cc: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] New version of Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in next version of MSR Dear Sarmad, After further investigation of Latin Repertoire, Latin GP has found one additional code point which is not included in our previous proposal for inclusion in the new version of MSR. Please find enclosed the new version of our Proposal for inclusion Latin script letters in the next version of MSR. Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp