Dear Zakir, Greetings, If you would like to give feedback on language editing by tomorrow that would be appreciated and welcomed. We need to make hardcopies of this final "draft" statement to be circulated at the participants in Kobe ME space session for discussion on the statement content. But if you want to provide comments on the content then you need to wait until Kobe ME space session, given the fact that you will be there in person. Best wishes, Nadira On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:47 PM 'Zakir Syed' via MEAC SWG < icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Nadira et al, thank you for this great work.

So, are we able to get any further comments on this?

How do we go about finalizing this for the meeting.

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Dear All, Following up to our last email, we would like to thank again the efforts of Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila and all who provided comments. We are attaching the final draft copy of the ME statement on Universal Acceptance, this doesn't imply it is the final version. You are still invited to provide more feedback until March 1st,

With appreciation, MEAC Space Leading Team Tijani Ben Jemaa and Nadira Al-Araj

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:22 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear All,

First of all, let’s commend the efforts of Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila, the pen-holder of the ICANN 64 ME Space statement on Universal Acceptance. Together with the other members of the drafting team, he performed an amazing work in developing the attached draft statement. The active drafting team is comprised of (in alphabetic order) Ahmed Bakhat, Hadia El Miniawi, Nabil Benamar, Wafa Dahamani, Zakir Syed and Zied Bouziri.

The first draft is attached with this email for your review and comment either through this email thread or through the Google document with link

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Following the planned schedule, the comment period will be open from today Feb 14th until Feb 21st. followed by the integration of the comments received to get the final version ready by March 1st.

Looking forward to have more input from the wider community.

With appreciation,

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Thank you Nadira, Looking forward to the ME Space thn. Best, Zakir From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> To: Zakir Syed <zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com> Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>; MEAC ICANN <meac.icann@aratld.org>; MEAC-SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com>; "meac.swg@icann.org" <meac.swg@icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [MEAC SWG] Re: [MEAC ICANN] Kobe ME Space statement first draft for comment Following to your last point Zakir  that I missed the Statement will be discussed, finalized and approved by the end of Kobe ME Space session. It will be also sent to the concering party. We would like to bring to your attention to the proposed draft Charter for ME Space. Would be appreciated if you can have a look at it. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 21:25 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Zakir,Greetings,If you would like to give feedback on language editing by tomorrow that would be appreciated and welcomed.We need to make hardcopies of this final "draft" statement to be circulated at the participants in Kobe ME space session for discussion on the statement content. But if you want to provide comments on the content then you need to wait until Kobe ME space session, given the fact that you will be there in  person. Best wishes,Nadira    On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:47 PM 'Zakir Syed' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote: Dear Nadira et al, thank you for this great work. So, are we able to get any further comments on this? How do we go about finalizing this for the meeting. Best, Zakir From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> To: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> Cc: MEAC ICANN <meac.icann@aratld.org>; MEAC-SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com>; meac.swg@icann.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [MEAC ICANN] Kobe ME Space statement first draft for comment Dear All,Following up to  our last email, we would like to thank again the efforts of Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila and all who provided comments. We are attaching the final draft copy of the ME statement on Universal Acceptance, this doesn't imply it is the final version.  You are still invited to provide more feedback until March 1st,  With appreciation,MEAC Space Leading TeamTijani Ben Jemaa and Nadira Al-Araj | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:22 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear All, First of all, let’s commend the efforts of AbdalmonemTharwat Galila, the pen-holder of the ICANN 64 ME Space statement on Universal Acceptance. Together with the other members of the drafting team, he performed an amazing work in developing the attached draft statement. The active drafting team is comprised of (in alphabeticorder) Ahmed Bakhat, Hadia El Miniawi, Nabil Benamar, Wafa  Dahamani, Zakir Syed and Zied Bouziri. The first draft is attached withthis email for your review and comment either through this email thread orthrough the Google document with linkhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1JgjgcRpPGEaOVkR4zyAq4rAFODFt9qFw6gj7RWY_...   Following the plannedschedule, the comment period will be open from today Feb 14th until Feb21st. followed by the integration of the comments received to get the final version ready by March 1st. Looking forward tohave more input from the wider community. With appreciation, MEAC Space LeadingTeam Tijani Ben Jemaa & Nadira Al-Araj --  _______________________________________________ MEAC.ICANN mailing list MEAC.ICANN@aratld.org http://mail-list.aratld.org/mailman/listinfo/meac.icann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/1339816203.8388791.15517250.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --   -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/CAJdpWNDXpuP8x4DeG%2BMrQysG.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Dear Tijani, Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work  "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."  I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan? Thanks Hadia    On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/B7B3DF2B-AA4D-468A-8F60-96A.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJME Space Leading Team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/B7B3DF2B-AA4D-468A-8F60-96A.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Dear Tijani, Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task.  I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements "have adequate writing skills "  otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences. so this part of the charter could read "Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting." One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights? Thank you again Kind RegardsHadia Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members:• Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter;• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: My dear Hadia, I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it.Thank you for your comment. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Tijani BEN JEMAAExecutive DirectorMediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)Phone: +216 98 330 114            +216 52 385 114----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit : Dear Tijani, Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work  "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."  I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan? Thanks Hadia    On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/B7B3DF2B-AA4D-468A-8F60-96A.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJME Space Leading Team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/B7B3DF2B-AA4D-468A-8F60-96A.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Hi all, Thank you hadia for the valuable input, and sorry Nadira for the delayed answer. In deeds I think that the most crucial issues for the development of the statements are: -The Topic selection, -The draft team membership. So I support Hadia proposal to add some creterias to this sections. Another question that I have in mind, shall we limited statements to ICANN hot topics or extended it to some regional issue? Freindly Chokri Ben Romdhane Le ven. 5 avr. 2019 à 3:41 PM, 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG < icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> a écrit :

Dear Tijani,

Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task. I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements

"have adequate writing skills " otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences.

so this part of the charter could read

"Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting."

One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights?

Thank you again

Kind Regards Hadia

On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

My dear Hadia,

I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it. Thank you for your comment.

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Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Dear Tijani,

Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."

I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan?

Thanks

Hadia

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear all,

After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best

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Dear Hadia, Thank you for your input, In drafting the ME Space Charter we tried to spell out the actual task of the space and avoided getting into the details to keep the charter short. On your recommend of adding "have adequate writing skills", I guess it is going to be challenging particularly most of us English is a second language for us including me. The statement is supposed to reflect the community opinion hence each member of the drafting team and MEAC community can provide their perspectives and even help in language editing. The penholder can't do it all, but they could be the one who puts the initial ideas to start soliciting community inputs along the development of the process. One round the lead team couldn't find a volunteer to be a penholder hence the lead team did take over. Personally, I would like to relax the requirements on the penholder to encourage more community member to volunteer to be a penholders and learn along the process. The drafting team will always find the coaching support from the lead team.

From my perspective, stronger role falls on the members of the drafting team to support the development of the first statement and not only the penholder. We would like to see all those who volunteer to draft the statement give hand in it. However we know along the way, something happens and they can't afford the time That is why, if volunteers can anticipate of their load up front to avoid having a non functional drafting team.

I was the one who added the observers, because we need to have the window open to our curious members. Giving observers space to observe and build confidence in the process, will give them encouragement to be either drafting team members or future penholder. Best wishes, Nadira On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 17:36 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Tijani,

Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task. I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements

"have adequate writing skills " otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences.

so this part of the charter could read

"Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting."

One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights?

Thank you again

Kind Regards Hadia

Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

My dear Hadia,

I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it. Thank you for your comment.

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Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Dear Tijani,

Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."

I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan?

Thanks

Hadia

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear all,

After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best

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I do agree with Hadia. On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:29 PM 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG < icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

Though I tend to agree with you on having flexible requirements with regard to the drafting team. If the pen holder has no writing skills whatsoever, the mission becomes impossible for the other drafting team members. Because, first it makes their job very difficult as they need to almost re write what is written and second because the pen holder is the person who at the end of the day accepts or rejects the changes. The drafting team could put the time, but due to the non existent writing abilities of the pen holder the proposals are either not understood or rejected without the pen holder even being able to reasonably explain why or discuss. Having a pen holder who can not draft puts the work and effort of the rest of the team in vain.

The writing abilities should be one of the criteria required for the pen holder - anyone can join the drafting team, and pose ideas, but to be the pen holder and be required to accept or reject suggestions you should have a minimum base of writing abilities. Otherwise you are wasting the time and effort of everyone else involved in the process for no good reason. Having a pen holder with no writing abilities defies the basic concept of collaborative work where each member participates with what he/she can do best. One last thing, I would argue that this has very little to do with the language abilities, most probably if you can draft in any language and can communicate in English there should be no problem with the drafting of the statement. (Just to clarify by writing abilities, I do not mean English language abilities.)

Finally I would like to thank you Nadira for your wise leadership and for the effort that you and Tijani have put in this work.

Kindest Regards Hadia

On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:36:15 PM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj < nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Hadia, Thank you for your input, In drafting the ME Space Charter we tried to spell out the actual task of the space and avoided getting into the details to keep the charter short.

On your recommend of adding "have adequate writing skills", I guess it is going to be challenging particularly most of us English is a second language for us including me.

The statement is supposed to reflect the community opinion hence each member of the drafting team and MEAC community can provide their perspectives and even help in language editing.

The penholder can't do it all, but they could be the one who puts the initial ideas to start soliciting community inputs along the development of the process. One round the lead team couldn't find a volunteer to be a penholder hence the lead team did take over.

Personally, I would like to relax the requirements on the penholder to encourage more community member to volunteer to be a penholders and learn along the process. The drafting team will always find the coaching support from the lead team.

From my perspective, stronger role falls on the members of the drafting team to support the development of the first statement and not only the penholder. We would like to see all those who volunteer to draft the statement give hand in it. However we know along the way, something happens and they can't afford the time That is why, if volunteers can anticipate of their load up front to avoid having a non functional drafting team.

I was the one who added the observers, because we need to have the window open to our curious members. Giving observers space to observe and build confidence in the process, will give them encouragement to be either drafting team members or future penholder.

Best wishes, Nadira

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 17:36 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Tijani,

Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task. I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements

"have adequate writing skills " otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences.

so this part of the charter could read

"Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting."

One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights?

Thank you again

Kind Regards Hadia

Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

My dear Hadia,

I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it. Thank you for your comment.

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Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Dear Tijani,

Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."

I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan?

Thanks

Hadia

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear all,

After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best

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Dear Nadira, Yes Indeed, someone with no basic writing abilities could come forward to be a pen holder if this is not one of the indicated criteria, why not? As for your question about how do we measure if the participant meets the writing  criterion or not, well that does not only apply to the writing abilities but too the rest of the criteria already set in the charter.  "Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter;Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting." So do you think that someone with insufficient  knowledge about the topic would come forward to be a pen holder? and how do you define sufficient and how do you measure it? and in order not to be repetitive the same applies to the second criteria. Your questions with regard to the writing abilities certainly apply to the rest of the criteria already defined in the charter. We are certainly looking for a simple process to encourage people to participate and we are definitely not requiring participants to send resumes. We set the criteria so that who ever decides to join would know what is expected of him and what he/she is committed too, but I don't think that these criteria by any means are put so that we can start vetting the participants. As for your comment with regard to the English language skills barrier I reiterate what I said in my previous email, it is not about the English Language knowledge it is about the writing skills, if you have writing skills in any language and can just communicate in English you shall be able to build an initial good statement. It is not about edits required because the pen holder does not have adequate English language knowledge. The suggested criterion simply says that you need to be able to build a coherent statement, "writing abilities". How can you set a criteria for a writing team that does not include writing? honestly this defies any reason. This criteria is more crucial than the other two. Nadira, I am afraid you missed the point. Finally I thank you again for all your effort Kind RegardsHadia On Monday, April 8, 2019, 10:17:06 AM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Hadia and Peyman,Thank you for your inputs, Do you think anyone with no basic writing abilities could come forward to be a penholder? How do you want to examine the level of the writing skills of who volunteer to be a penholder? Can you propose metrics to measure the writing skill? Again I re-emphasis about the importance of the role of the drafting team to chime in from start. Currently, at ALAC they're discussing having ICANN staff to do language editing to encourage more penholders to come forward-particularly in its diverse multi-languages community. Let us think of why ALAC wanted to offer the language service? Sure they wanted to eliminate the English writing skill barriers. Personally when I heard about this proposal I was happy and supported it because it encouraged me to be a penholder and I expect it will encourage others. In the MEAC community a handful of people are educated in an English language settings. How many of them volunteer to be a penholders? What about the majority of MEAC members? Are you suggesting to ask ICANN provide an English language writing skills to its members even though they're very competent in their subject matter? I hope I managed to make my point clear this time.Best wishes,Nadira On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 08:29 Peyman Karimi <peykar@gmail.com> wrote: I do agree with Hadia. On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:29 PM 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Nadira, Though I tend to agree with you on having flexible requirements with regard to the drafting team. If the pen holder has no writing skills whatsoever, the mission becomes impossible for the other drafting team members. Because, first it makes their job very difficult as they need to almost re write what is written and second because the pen holder is the person who at the end of the day accepts or rejects the changes. The drafting team could put the time, but due to the non existent writing abilities of the pen holder the proposals are either not understood or rejected without the pen holder even being able to reasonably explain why or discuss. Having a pen holder who can not draft puts the work and effort of the rest of the team in vain.  The writing abilities should be one of the criteria required for the pen holder - anyone can join the drafting team, and pose ideas, but to be the pen holder and be required to accept or reject suggestions you should have a minimum base of writing abilities. Otherwise you are wasting the time and effort of everyone else involved in the process for no good reason. Having a pen holder with no writing abilities defies the basic concept of collaborative work where each member participates with what he/she can do best. One last thing, I would argue that this has very little to do with the language abilities, most probably if you can draft in any language and can communicate in English there should be no problem with the drafting of the statement. (Just to clarify by writing abilities, I do not mean English language abilities.)   Finally I would like to thank you Nadira for your wise leadership and for the effort that you and Tijani have put in this work. Kindest RegardsHadia    On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:36:15 PM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Hadia,Thank you for your input,  In drafting the ME Space Charter we tried to spell out the actual task of the space and avoided getting into the details to keep the charter short. On your recommend of adding "have adequate writing skills", I guess it is going to be challenging particularly most of us English is a second language for us including me. The statement is supposed to reflect the community opinion hence each member of the drafting team and MEAC community can provide their perspectives and even help in language editing. The penholder can't do it all, but they could be the one who puts the initial ideas to start soliciting community inputs along the development of the process.  One round the lead team couldn't find a volunteer to be a penholder hence the lead team did take over. Personally, I would like to relax the requirements on the penholder to encourage more community member to volunteer to be a penholders and learn along the process.  The drafting team will always find the coaching support from the lead team.

From my perspective, stronger role falls on the members of the drafting team to support the development of the first statement and not only the penholder. We would like to see all those who volunteer to draft the statement give hand in it. However we know along the way, something happens and they can't afford the time That is why, if volunteers can anticipate of their load up front to avoid having a non functional drafting team.  I was the one who  added the observers, because we need to have the window open to our curious members.  Giving observers space to observe and build confidence in the process, will give them  encouragement to be either drafting team members or future penholder. Best wishes,Nadira

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 17:36 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Tijani, Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task.  I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements "have adequate writing skills "  otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences. so this part of the charter could read "Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting." One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights? Thank you again Kind RegardsHadia Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members:• Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter;• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: My dear Hadia, I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it.Thank you for your comment. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Tijani BEN JEMAAExecutive DirectorMediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)Phone: +216 98 330 114            +216 52 385 114----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit : Dear Tijani, Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work  "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."  I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan? Thanks Hadia    On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. 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Dear Farzanah, Thank you for weighing in. Farzi, this is not about criticizing, I am sorry that this is how you translate discussions, counterarguments and logical discussions. This is not about agreeing or disagreeing with one another, this is about debating, providing arguments and counterarguments to come up with what is best. The base of our collaborative work is trust, having this as our starting point is a must. Making counterarguments should not be considered an offensive action, it actually provides an engaging learning activity, improves critical thinking skills and allows us as a community to examine all parts of a problem to come out with what is best. It is not a win-lose action nor does it have the intent of blame or accusation, we work together to maximize our gain as a community. As for the "missing the point part", Farzi you misunderstood this part of the discussion, Nadira was asking if she was able to make her point clear so I replied that she missed the point, that is she did not address the points raised, it has nothing to do with Nadira agreeing to having  "no Criteria" or not. After all we are still discussing and debating.  As for the "loosely enforced" criteria, in a previous email, I said "I don't think that these criteria by any means are put so that we can start vetting the participants" So the question becomes why do we need a criteria?having a criteria that is not measurable nor possible to apply gives room for a dysfunction process, where you could refer to the criteria or not according to the candidates.  Previously we did not have a criteria for a drafting team, anyone who wanted to join would put his/her name down and participate, you were part of this process. Having a criteria, suggests some kind of measurement and evaluation do we want this? and are we able to do it? Finally, I would like to thank you for your contribution to the discussion and advice us all to focus in our discussion on the subject matter and stem away from personalizing the argument or discussion. As I mentioned before many of us on a personal level are friends (Including me and Nadira) and debating does not clash with this.   Kindest RegardsHadia    On Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 8:40:24 AM GMT+2, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com> wrote: Hadia Just because you believe there should be no criteria does not mean Nadira has missed the point. I agree with her, it is logical and trust that as she has been involved with putting together numerous drafting teams in this group, the criteria fit the purpose.  These criteria are loosely enforced and can be even guidelines. It can be just to inform the volunteers what the work actually entails.  Don't understand  why something so simple needs to be criticized so much.  On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:14 PM 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote: Dear Nadira, Yes Indeed, someone with no basic writing abilities could come forward to be a pen holder if this is not one of the indicated criteria, why not? As for your question about how do we measure if the participant meets the writing  criterion or not, well that does not only apply to the writing abilities but too the rest of the criteria already set in the charter.  "Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter;Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting." So do you think that someone with insufficient  knowledge about the topic would come forward to be a pen holder? and how do you define sufficient and how do you measure it? and in order not to be repetitive the same applies to the second criteria. Your questions with regard to the writing abilities certainly apply to the rest of the criteria already defined in the charter. We are certainly looking for a simple process to encourage people to participate and we are definitely not requiring participants to send resumes. We set the criteria so that who ever decides to join would know what is expected of him and what he/she is committed too, but I don't think that these criteria by any means are put so that we can start vetting the participants. As for your comment with regard to the English language skills barrier I reiterate what I said in my previous email, it is not about the English Language knowledge it is about the writing skills, if you have writing skills in any language and can just communicate in English you shall be able to build an initial good statement. It is not about edits required because the pen holder does not have adequate English language knowledge. The suggested criterion simply says that you need to be able to build a coherent statement, "writing abilities". How can you set a criteria for a writing team that does not include writing? honestly this defies any reason. This criteria is more crucial than the other two. Nadira, I am afraid you missed the point. Finally I thank you again for all your effort Kind RegardsHadia On Monday, April 8, 2019, 10:17:06 AM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Hadia and Peyman,Thank you for your inputs, Do you think anyone with no basic writing abilities could come forward to be a penholder? How do you want to examine the level of the writing skills of who volunteer to be a penholder? Can you propose metrics to measure the writing skill? Again I re-emphasis about the importance of the role of the drafting team to chime in from start. Currently, at ALAC they're discussing having ICANN staff to do language editing to encourage more penholders to come forward-particularly in its diverse multi-languages community. Let us think of why ALAC wanted to offer the language service? Sure they wanted to eliminate the English writing skill barriers. Personally when I heard about this proposal I was happy and supported it because it encouraged me to be a penholder and I expect it will encourage others. In the MEAC community a handful of people are educated in an English language settings. How many of them volunteer to be a penholders? What about the majority of MEAC members? Are you suggesting to ask ICANN provide an English language writing skills to its members even though they're very competent in their subject matter? I hope I managed to make my point clear this time.Best wishes,Nadira On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 08:29 Peyman Karimi <peykar@gmail.com> wrote: I do agree with Hadia. On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:29 PM 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Nadira, Though I tend to agree with you on having flexible requirements with regard to the drafting team. If the pen holder has no writing skills whatsoever, the mission becomes impossible for the other drafting team members. Because, first it makes their job very difficult as they need to almost re write what is written and second because the pen holder is the person who at the end of the day accepts or rejects the changes. The drafting team could put the time, but due to the non existent writing abilities of the pen holder the proposals are either not understood or rejected without the pen holder even being able to reasonably explain why or discuss. Having a pen holder who can not draft puts the work and effort of the rest of the team in vain.  The writing abilities should be one of the criteria required for the pen holder - anyone can join the drafting team, and pose ideas, but to be the pen holder and be required to accept or reject suggestions you should have a minimum base of writing abilities. Otherwise you are wasting the time and effort of everyone else involved in the process for no good reason. Having a pen holder with no writing abilities defies the basic concept of collaborative work where each member participates with what he/she can do best. One last thing, I would argue that this has very little to do with the language abilities, most probably if you can draft in any language and can communicate in English there should be no problem with the drafting of the statement. (Just to clarify by writing abilities, I do not mean English language abilities.)   Finally I would like to thank you Nadira for your wise leadership and for the effort that you and Tijani have put in this work. Kindest RegardsHadia    On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:36:15 PM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Hadia,Thank you for your input,  In drafting the ME Space Charter we tried to spell out the actual task of the space and avoided getting into the details to keep the charter short. On your recommend of adding "have adequate writing skills", I guess it is going to be challenging particularly most of us English is a second language for us including me. The statement is supposed to reflect the community opinion hence each member of the drafting team and MEAC community can provide their perspectives and even help in language editing. The penholder can't do it all, but they could be the one who puts the initial ideas to start soliciting community inputs along the development of the process.  One round the lead team couldn't find a volunteer to be a penholder hence the lead team did take over. Personally, I would like to relax the requirements on the penholder to encourage more community member to volunteer to be a penholders and learn along the process.  The drafting team will always find the coaching support from the lead team.

From my perspective, stronger role falls on the members of the drafting team to support the development of the first statement and not only the penholder. We would like to see all those who volunteer to draft the statement give hand in it. However we know along the way, something happens and they can't afford the time That is why, if volunteers can anticipate of their load up front to avoid having a non functional drafting team.  I was the one who  added the observers, because we need to have the window open to our curious members.  Giving observers space to observe and build confidence in the process, will give them  encouragement to be either drafting team members or future penholder. Best wishes,Nadira

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 17:36 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Tijani, Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task.  I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements "have adequate writing skills "  otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences. so this part of the charter could read "Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting." One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights? Thank you again Kind RegardsHadia Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members:• Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter;• Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: My dear Hadia, I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it.Thank you for your comment. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Tijani BEN JEMAAExecutive DirectorMediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)Phone: +216 98 330 114            +216 52 385 114----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> a écrit : Dear Tijani, Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work  "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."  I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan? Thanks Hadia    On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. 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Dear Chokri,

Nadira With no doubt by regional issues I target issues in relation with ICANN mission because As the charter mentioned the goal of this statement is to make the voice of the region heraed based on our regional needs and not only some ICANN hot topics that some times have no relation with the our community needs.

ICANN hot topics are always of interest to all regions without exception because they affect the Internet that is today our main tool in all our life (professional and personal). Nadia asked you about the destination of our statements addressing topics out of ICANN discussion. We don’t have to forget that: This is an ICANN ME Space, not an external one; All its activities must be directly linked to ICANN mission. The aim of this space is to provide the ME community opinion to the ICANN decision makers for a direct or indirect impact. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Le 7 avr. 2019 à 17:31, Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr@gmail.com> a écrit :

Dear friends, The language barriers could be easily passed if the pen holder have enough expertise and valuables skills with the selected topic, so the main creteria to select a topic is the presence of expert among community members.

Nadira With no doubt by regional issues I target issues in relation with ICANN mission because As the charter mentioned the goal of this statement is to make the voice of the region heraed based on our regional needs and not only some ICANN hot topics that some times have no relation with the our community needs.

Another point that the charter should answer: After the statement was published and delivered to the Board or any other ICANN entity shall we establish a procedure to follow the impact of this statement?

Finally I would to iterate my thanks to Nadira fo all what she's doing for the community.

Freindly Chokri

Le dim. 7 avr. 2019 à 12:59 PM, 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com <mailto:icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com>> a écrit : Hi Nadira,

Though I tend to agree with you on having flexible requirements with regard to the drafting team. If the pen holder has no writing skills whatsoever, the mission becomes impossible for the other drafting team members. Because, first it makes their job very difficult as they need to almost re write what is written and second because the pen holder is the person who at the end of the day accepts or rejects the changes. The drafting team could put the time, but due to the non existent writing abilities of the pen holder the proposals are either not understood or rejected without the pen holder even being able to reasonably explain why or discuss. Having a pen holder who can not draft puts the work and effort of the rest of the team in vain.

The writing abilities should be one of the criteria required for the pen holder - anyone can join the drafting team, and pose ideas, but to be the pen holder and be required to accept or reject suggestions you should have a minimum base of writing abilities. Otherwise you are wasting the time and effort of everyone else involved in the process for no good reason. Having a pen holder with no writing abilities defies the basic concept of collaborative work where each member participates with what he/she can do best. One last thing, I would argue that this has very little to do with the language abilities, most probably if you can draft in any language and can communicate in English there should be no problem with the drafting of the statement. (Just to clarify by writing abilities, I do not mean English language abilities.)

Finally I would like to thank you Nadira for your wise leadership and for the effort that you and Tijani have put in this work.

Kindest Regards Hadia

On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:36:15 PM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com <mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Hadia, Thank you for your input, In drafting the ME Space Charter we tried to spell out the actual task of the space and avoided getting into the details to keep the charter short.

On your recommend of adding "have adequate writing skills", I guess it is going to be challenging particularly most of us English is a second language for us including me.

The statement is supposed to reflect the community opinion hence each member of the drafting team and MEAC community can provide their perspectives and even help in language editing.

The penholder can't do it all, but they could be the one who puts the initial ideas to start soliciting community inputs along the development of the process. One round the lead team couldn't find a volunteer to be a penholder hence the lead team did take over.

Personally, I would like to relax the requirements on the penholder to encourage more community member to volunteer to be a penholders and learn along the process. The drafting team will always find the coaching support from the lead team.

From my perspective, stronger role falls on the members of the drafting team to support the development of the first statement and not only the penholder. We would like to see all those who volunteer to draft the statement give hand in it. However we know along the way, something happens and they can't afford the time That is why, if volunteers can anticipate of their load up front to avoid having a non functional drafting team.

I was the one who added the observers, because we need to have the window open to our curious members. Giving observers space to observe and build confidence in the process, will give them encouragement to be either drafting team members or future penholder.

Best wishes, Nadira

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 17:36 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com <mailto:hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com>> wrote: Dear Tijani,

Thank you for your reply, so maybe for the purpose of clarity we need to spell it out, as there could be some sort of confusion about whether the drafting team, the leadership team or some other member could be responsible about this task. I would like also to suggest adding to the drafting team requirements

"have adequate writing skills " otherwise you end up with a lot of copy and paste material and mismatching sentences.

so this part of the charter could read

"Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; and adequate writing skills • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting."

One last thing, I was wondering why wouldn't an observer that wants to be a drafter upgrade his/her status to a member. Why would anyone interested in participating in the drafting process participate as an observer? what is the advantage of that to the group and/or to the observer especially that he/she has no voting rights?

Thank you again

Kind Regards Hadia

Best efforts should be made to ensure that the drafting team members: • Have sufficient expertise in the applicable subject matter; • Commit to actively participate in the drafting operation on an ongoing basis during the whole period of drafting. On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:27:44 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote:

My dear Hadia,

I thought it was obvious that it’s the leading team who will do it. Thank you for your comment.

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Le 4 avr. 2019 à 14:28, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com <mailto:hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com>> a écrit :

Dear Tijani,

Thank you and Nadira for working on this and sharing it. However, it is unclear to me who should be doing this work "In working towards this deliverable, the ME Space will, as a first step, establish and adopt a work plan and associated schedule. The work plan and schedule should include times and methods for consultation and Proposal revisions, and should establish an expected date for issuing of a final Statement Proposal. This schedule needs to line up with the ICANN Meeting dates."

I believe that the aforementioned part needs further clarification, as to who should establish the initial work plan, the sentence says "the ME Space will" does this mean that any one from the community can establish the initial work plan?

Thanks

Hadia

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 2:30:05 PM GMT+2, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote:

Dear all,

After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best

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Hi Nadira, Great Nadira , Thank you for this efforts. Could you please add this point to the Form: "After the statement was published and delivered to the Board or any other ICANN entity shall we establish a procedure to follow the impact of this statement?" friendly Chokri Le lun. 8 avr. 2019 à 16:32, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> a écrit :

Dear All, Since there is no agreement on whether to include "Have an adequate writing skills" for the penholder. Now the community have the different point of views, I would like to the community members to indicate there preference in the following Google form. https://forms.gle/j8u9bDeqKLZZtr4p6

It will be open until Monday 15th, the majority will decide of including it or not. Thank you all, Nadira

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 05:29 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

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Dear all,

After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best

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Dear Nadira, Kindly add to the vote the option of  " having no criteria", or explain to us how meeting the criteria will be measured and by whom For those who were not following we are talking about a criteria for the drafting team.   Besthadia On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:46:07 PM GMT+2, Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Nadira,Great Nadira , Thank you for this efforts.Could you please add this point to the Form:"After the statement was published and delivered to the Board or any other ICANN entity shall we establish a procedure to follow the impact of this statement?" friendlyChokri  Le lun. 8 avr. 2019 à 16:32, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> a écrit : Dear All,Since there is no agreement on whether to include "Have an adequate writing skills" for the penholder.Now the community have the different point of views, I would like to the community members to indicate there preference in the following Google form.https://forms.gle/j8u9bDeqKLZZtr4p6 It will be open until Monday 15th, the majority will decide of including it or not.Thank you all,Nadira On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 05:29 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJME Space Leading Team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/CAJdpWNA0f0njApVjP_71gLG7zT.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to icann-meac-swg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/icann-meac-swg/CAApDzdzNvAxzt_Qvky2ET6gy3%.... For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Dear Salam, We are all one community, and many of us on a personal level are friends, and in many cases when we meet at ICANN or some other meetings we try to make the time to socialize and enjoy each others company and presence. In general I would say that we are like a big family. That being said we should not be afraid to voice our concerns or raise topics that seem important to us and the community because we might be misunderstood or deemed having unwelcome tones. The base of our collaborative work is trust, having this as our starting point is a must. I would claim that we all respect one another and have trust in each other, if we all agree to that, then constructive arguments and debates should not be deemed as unwelcoming to those with different arguments or thoughts. We all work together, brainstorm, and debate to develop creative solutions to a problem and generate ideas. Making counterarguments should not be considered an offensive action, it actually provides an engaging learning activity, improves critical thinking skills and allows us as a community to examine all parts of a problem to come out with what is best. It is not a win-lose action nor does it have the intent of blame or accusation, we work together to maximize our gain as a community. Finally, I thank you for your email and encourage you to weigh in with arguments, counterarguments, thoughts and ideas. With trust in each other and respect to one another as the base of our discussion and stemming away from the idea of tones and hidden intents everyone will be able to say what he/she thinks. Kindest RegardsHadia Elminiawi   On Monday, April 8, 2019, 10:44:01 PM GMT+2, Salam Yamout <yamout@isoc.org> wrote: Dear all I have been staying away from this conversation because while I understand some of the issues, I certainly do not appreciate the tone of some of the emails. I suspect that this is keeping people like me from participating in the discussion Best Salam Get Outlook for Android From: 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 8:32:34 PM To: Nadira Alaraj; Chokri Ben Romdhane Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA; MEAC ICANN; MEAC-SWG; meac.swg@icann.org Subject: Re: [MEAC SWG] Re: ME Space Charter Dear Nadira, Kindly add to the vote the option of  " having no criteria", or explain to us how meeting the criteria will be measured and by whom For those who were not following we are talking about a criteria for the drafting team.   Besthadia On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:46:07 PM GMT+2, Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Nadira,Great Nadira , Thank you for this efforts.Could you please add this point to the Form:"After the statement was published and delivered to the Board or any other ICANN entity shall we establish a procedure to follow the impact of this statement?" friendlyChokri  Le lun. 8 avr. 2019 à 16:32, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> a écrit : Dear All,Since there is no agreement on whether to include "Have an adequate writing skills" for the penholder.Now the community have the different point of views, I would like to the community members to indicate there preference in the following Google form.https://forms.gle/j8u9bDeqKLZZtr4p6 It will be open until Monday 15th, the majority will decide of including it or not.Thank you all,Nadira On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 05:29 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version.Best Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJME Space Leading Team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MEAC SWG" group. 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Dear All, Greetings to all, This is the process that we took to develop the ME Space Charter: - A proposed draft was distributed for comments - All received feedback were handled and incorporated into the Charter. - The charter was opened for discussion during the ME Space session in Kobe. - All those who provided their feedback where approached individually to clarify their discussions points. - The comments received during the given timeline where reviewed and included in the Charter. - The charter was distributed for endorsement, 2 comments where received that didn't get any support from the community. Therefore, the Charter will be endorsed as per the last version distributed on April 2nd. We take this opportunity to thank all contributors and encourage the community to start thinking about the appropriate topic to be discussed for the upcoming ICANN meeting due to take place in Marrakech next June. Best wishes Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJ ME Space Leading Team ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 15:29 Subject: ME Space Charter To: MEAC ICANN <meac.icann@aratld.org>, MEAC-SWG < icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com>, meac.swg@icann.org <meac.swg@icann.org> Cc: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> Dear all, After reviewing the various comments on the draft charter circulated for comment prior to ICANN 64 and discussed during the ME Space session in Kobe, the Space Leading Team would like to share with you this last version. Best Tijani BEN JEMAA & Nadira AL-ARAJ ME Space Leading Team

Dear Baher, Thank you Baher for pointing to the policy forum. Do I understand that there will not be an African space forum? I was thinking it will be an opportunity to have an exceptional ME space meeting because ICANN Marakesh is happening in our region. Are you planning to have an out reach meeting to the ME community? Best regards Nadira On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 17:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Nadira, et all,

On 4/15/19, 4:39 PM, "icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nadira Alaraj" <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

We take this opportunity to thank all contributors and encourage the community to start thinking about the appropriate topic to be discussed for the upcoming ICANN meeting due to take place in Marrakech next June.

Just a reminder that the ME Space only takes place during the first and last meeting of the year, but not the middle one aka the policy forum.

Best

Baher

Dear Baher, A question to you, If we as the ME-Space lead circulated a call for topics and their was an interest from the community would it be possible to schedule a session for us at ICANN Marakesh policy meeting? Thanks, Nadira As we're the lead of ME Space, On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 08:59 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

I don’t know about the African space.

There is no plan for a ME community meeting. The schedule of the policy forum is usually very tight for community members, so I’m not sure anyone will be able to spare time for such a meeting unless there is a need for it. However, there will likely be a couple of outreach sessions with Moroccan students; Aziz Hilali from the local host is working on this.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 2:03 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

Thank you Baher for pointing to the policy forum.

Do I understand that there will not be an African space forum?

I was thinking it will be an opportunity to have an exceptional ME space meeting because ICANN Marakesh is happening in our region.

Are you planning to have an out reach meeting to the ME community?

Best regards

Nadira

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 17:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Nadira, et all,

On 4/15/19, 4:39 PM, "icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nadira Alaraj" <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

We take this opportunity to thank all contributors and encourage the community to start thinking about the appropriate topic to be discussed for the upcoming ICANN meeting due to take place in Marrakech next June.

Just a reminder that the ME Space only takes place during the first and last meeting of the year, but not the middle one aka the policy forum.

Best

Baher

Dear Baher, Thank you for sharing the link to the different ICANN meeting formats. Regarding meeting B. MEETING B | POLICY FORUM • 2nd meeting in the three-meeting annual cycle • Duration is four (4) total days • Format focused on SO/AC/SG/C policy work and outreach Do you think ME Space issues could fall under the last sentence */C* policy work and outreach? I'm assuming the C for community. Best Nadira On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 10:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

If I understand the ICANN meeting strategy right, I think the answer to your question would be ‘no’. Please scroll down to Meeting B | Policy Forum and read what comes underneath it: https://meetings.icann.org/en/future-meeting-strategy.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 9:28 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

A question to you,

If we as the ME-Space lead circulated a call for topics and their was an interest from the community would it be possible to schedule a session for us at ICANN Marakesh policy meeting?

Thanks,

Nadira

As we're the lead of ME Space,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 08:59 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

I don’t know about the African space.

There is no plan for a ME community meeting. The schedule of the policy forum is usually very tight for community members, so I’m not sure anyone will be able to spare time for such a meeting unless there is a need for it. However, there will likely be a couple of outreach sessions with Moroccan students; Aziz Hilali from the local host is working on this.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 2:03 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

Thank you Baher for pointing to the policy forum.

Do I understand that there will not be an African space forum?

I was thinking it will be an opportunity to have an exceptional ME space meeting because ICANN Marakesh is happening in our region.

Are you planning to have an out reach meeting to the ME community?

Best regards

Nadira

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 17:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Nadira, et all,

On 4/15/19, 4:39 PM, "icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nadira Alaraj" <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

We take this opportunity to thank all contributors and encourage the community to start thinking about the appropriate topic to be discussed for the upcoming ICANN meeting due to take place in Marrakech next June.

Just a reminder that the ME Space only takes place during the first and last meeting of the year, but not the middle one aka the policy forum.

Best

Baher

Noted with thanks, Nadira On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 16:40 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Nadira, I think ‘C’ here refers to Constituency.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 10:07 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

Thank you for sharing the link to the different ICANN meeting formats.

Regarding meeting B.

MEETING B | POLICY FORUM

• 2nd meeting in the three-meeting annual cycle

• Duration is four (4) total days

• Format focused on SO/AC/SG/C policy work and outreach

Do you think ME Space issues could fall under the

last sentence */C* policy work and outreach?

I'm assuming the C for community.

Best

Nadira

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 10:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

If I understand the ICANN meeting strategy right, I think the answer to your question would be ‘no’. Please scroll down to Meeting B | Policy Forum and read what comes underneath it: https://meetings.icann.org/en/future-meeting-strategy.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 9:28 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

A question to you,

If we as the ME-Space lead circulated a call for topics and their was an interest from the community would it be possible to schedule a session for us at ICANN Marakesh policy meeting?

Thanks,

Nadira

As we're the lead of ME Space,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 08:59 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Nadira,

I don’t know about the African space.

There is no plan for a ME community meeting. The schedule of the policy forum is usually very tight for community members, so I’m not sure anyone will be able to spare time for such a meeting unless there is a need for it. However, there will likely be a couple of outreach sessions with Moroccan students; Aziz Hilali from the local host is working on this.

Best

Baher

On 4/16/19, 2:03 AM, "Nadira Alaraj" <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Baher,

Thank you Baher for pointing to the policy forum.

Do I understand that there will not be an African space forum?

I was thinking it will be an opportunity to have an exceptional ME space meeting because ICANN Marakesh is happening in our region.

Are you planning to have an out reach meeting to the ME community?

Best regards

Nadira

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 17:51 Baher Esmat <baher.esmat@icann.org> wrote:

Nadira, et all,

On 4/15/19, 4:39 PM, "icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nadira Alaraj" <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com on behalf of nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:

We take this opportunity to thank all contributors and encourage the community to start thinking about the appropriate topic to be discussed for the upcoming ICANN meeting due to take place in Marrakech next June.

Just a reminder that the ME Space only takes place during the first and last meeting of the year, but not the middle one aka the policy forum.

Best

Baher