Gentlemen, You have each asked that the entire inventories of NARALO brouchures in French and Spanish be committed exclusively to your hands. I wish to observe that while French is spoken primarily in Quebec in the North American Region, and Spanish is spoken primarily in Puerto Rico in the North American Region, that it is possible that there are needs for NARALO brochures, in French, and in Spanish, which may be as well served by others. I don't doubt that there are too few brochures to go around, but if all non-English brouchures are allocated to the ALSs in Quebec and Puerto Rico, that exhausts that resource and limits outreach to the Francophone and Hispanophone populations of the region except those in the Province of Quebec and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Equitably, and in cooperation, Eric
I need to echo Eric's statement. ICANN is only running off 500 English brochures and less of the Spanish and French. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:02 PM To: Louis.Houle@oricom.ca; eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Gentlemen, You have each asked that the entire inventories of NARALO brouchures in French and Spanish be committed exclusively to your hands. I wish to observe that while French is spoken primarily in Quebec in the North American Region, and Spanish is spoken primarily in Puerto Rico in the North American Region, that it is possible that there are needs for NARALO brochures, in French, and in Spanish, which may be as well served by others. I don't doubt that there are too few brochures to go around, but if all non-English brouchures are allocated to the ALSs in Quebec and Puerto Rico, that exhausts that resource and limits outreach to the Francophone and Hispanophone populations of the region except those in the Province of Quebec and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Equitably, and in cooperation, Eric ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
How about one brochure that has all three languages? -------------------------------------------------- From: <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:02 PM To: <Louis.Houle@oricom.ca>; <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Gentlemen,
You have each asked that the entire inventories of NARALO brouchures in French and Spanish be committed exclusively to your hands.
I wish to observe that while French is spoken primarily in Quebec in the North American Region, and Spanish is spoken primarily in Puerto Rico in the North American Region, that it is possible that there are needs for NARALO brochures, in French, and in Spanish, which may be as well served by others.
I don't doubt that there are too few brochures to go around, but if all non-English brouchures are allocated to the ALSs in Quebec and Puerto Rico, that exhausts that resource and limits outreach to the Francophone and Hispanophone populations of the region except those in the Province of Quebec and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
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Well, then it would no longer be a "brochure". I don't know if you've seen the one we have but it's the size of a standard sized piece of paper folded in three. The printing is tiny and covers every bit of space on both sides. One done in three languages would have to be multiple pages. Also, we would have to look at re-doing the entire set up, therefore incurring more costs. Do remember that we have not budgeted for this in this fiscal (nor in next) so we can't ask for much. We had to campaign to get $1,000 to do a video for goodness sakes! This will be a limited run with EXACTLY what we have already set up. If we go into higher costs, it becomes a budget matter and I think we all know what kind of headache that entails. So, we all need to keep in mind the numbers that we absolutely need and can use. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:09 PM To: ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net; Louis.Houle@oricom.ca; eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org How about one brochure that has all three languages? -------------------------------------------------- From: <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:02 PM To: <Louis.Houle@oricom.ca>; <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Gentlemen,
You have each asked that the entire inventories of NARALO brouchures in French and Spanish be committed exclusively to your hands.
I wish to observe that while French is spoken primarily in Quebec in the North American Region, and Spanish is spoken primarily in Puerto Rico in the North American Region, that it is possible that there are needs for NARALO brochures, in French, and in Spanish, which may be as well served by others.
I don't doubt that there are too few brochures to go around, but if all non-English brouchures are allocated to the ALSs in Quebec and Puerto Rico, that exhausts that resource and limits outreach to the Francophone and Hispanophone populations of the region except those in the Province of Quebec and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
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Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling. This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures. This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages. This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource. - Evan
On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
and maybe a QR code a.
The precise issue is outreach and, despite the Internet, it is at actual F2F events that many relationships are forged, thus the need for a physical presence in the form of a brochure. I am amazed that, after several months of effort went into creating the brochure, there should be so little effort to disseminate it. As to the further arguments below, naralo.org should be sufficient for all purposes, but, tell me, how many landers on that page will discover the brochure link? j On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Avri Doria <avri@ella.com> wrote:
On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
and maybe a QR code
a.
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I am in accord with Joly. These are to be used in F2F events. Also, I know that we can download each individual brochure and have it printed locally. Question is: who pays? -ed On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
The precise issue is outreach and, despite the Internet, it is at actual F2F events that many relationships are forged, thus the need for a physical presence in the form of a brochure.
I am amazed that, after several months of effort went into creating the brochure, there should be so little effort to disseminate it.
As to the further arguments below, naralo.org should be sufficient for all purposes, but, tell me, how many landers on that page will discover the brochure link?
j
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Avri Doria <avri@ella.com> wrote:
On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing
the
concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
and maybe a QR code
a.
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The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing, This iBreakfast event in NYC tomorrow is a typical example of something that could be fertile ground. j On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>wrote:
I am in accord with Joly. These are to be used in F2F events. Also, I know that we can download each individual brochure and have it printed locally. Question is: who pays?
-ed
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
The precise issue is outreach and, despite the Internet, it is at actual F2F events that many relationships are forged, thus the need for a physical presence in the form of a brochure.
I am amazed that, after several months of effort went into creating the brochure, there should be so little effort to disseminate it.
As to the further arguments below, naralo.org should be sufficient for all purposes, but, tell me, how many landers on that page will discover the brochure link?
j
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Avri Doria <avri@ella.com> wrote:
On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing
the
concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
and maybe a QR code
a.
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The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing,
Actually, for 100 copies there are negligible economies of scale. Put the PDF on a thumb drive, take it down to a print shop and spend the $10. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Hmm $10, you'll be lucky I think. For example 1800postcards.com 4 col back and front + fold 100 $109 1000 $294 j On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing,
Actually, for 100 copies there are negligible economies of scale. Put the PDF on a thumb drive, take it down to a print shop and spend the $10.
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Dear All, Thanks for the lively discussion on the NARALO brochures. We are in the process of printing several hundred copies of the EN and 250 each of the ES and FR versions. Joly, Eduardo and Monique, please could you send staff the approximate number of copies you would like (we'll try to accommodate your request) and the postal addresses to which you would like us to send you your copies? We will also shortly be updating the At-Large brochure and re-printing it. In the meantime, the PDF is available at: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/whatis.htm. Kind regards, Heidi Heidi Ullrich Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (310) 578 - 8647 Fax: +1 (310) 823 - 8649 Cell/Mobile: +1 (310) 437 - 3956 -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Joly MacFie Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:44 PM To: John R. Levine Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures Hmm $10, you'll be lucky I think. For example 1800postcards.com 4 col back and front + fold 100 $109 1000 $294 j On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing,
Actually, for 100 copies there are negligible economies of scale. Put the PDF on a thumb drive, take it down to a print shop and spend the $10.
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Louis, please could you also send us your requested number and address for the FR brochures? Thanks, Heidi Heidi Ullrich Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (310) 578 - 8647 Fax: +1 (310) 823 - 8649 Cell/Mobile: +1 (310) 437 - 3956 -----Original Message----- From: Heidi Ullrich Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:46 PM To: NARALO Discussion List Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Brochures Dear All, Thanks for the lively discussion on the NARALO brochures. We are in the process of printing several hundred copies of the EN and 250 each of the ES and FR versions. Joly, Eduardo and Monique, please could you send staff the approximate number of copies you would like (we'll try to accommodate your request) and the postal addresses to which you would like us to send you your copies? We will also shortly be updating the At-Large brochure and re-printing it. In the meantime, the PDF is available at: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/whatis.htm. Kind regards, Heidi Heidi Ullrich Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (310) 578 - 8647 Fax: +1 (310) 823 - 8649 Cell/Mobile: +1 (310) 437 - 3956 -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Joly MacFie Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:44 PM To: John R. Levine Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures Hmm $10, you'll be lucky I think. For example 1800postcards.com 4 col back and front + fold 100 $109 1000 $294 j On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing,
Actually, for 100 copies there are negligible economies of scale. Put the PDF on a thumb drive, take it down to a print shop and spend the $10.
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By contrast... A two-sided business card (capable of holding basic tri-lingual info on one side and three URLs with QL codes on the other) would be slightly less expensive. At Vistaprint in Canada, 2000 dual-sided cards are less than $80 including shipping. - Evan On 2 August 2011 18:44, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
Hmm $10, you'll be lucky I think.
For example 1800postcards.com
4 col back and front + fold
100 $109 1000 $294
j
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
The particular awkwardness about this is is the double fold, which is hard to do neatly, manually. Plus the economics of scale, at least for the English version, make sense for there to be one printing,
Actually, for 100 copies there are negligible economies of scale. Put the PDF on a thumb drive, take it down to a print shop and spend the $10.
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I don't know about Eduardo, but I prefer Evan's proposal. 1- We can save costs. 2- We will demonstrate that we are in a multilingual, international minded organization. (Darlene, how about adding a fourth one ?) 3- We will reinforce the «Web brochure» that we did earlier (with Evan) 4- We will target more easily the people P.S. Eric, I'm not sure I get your point. It's a little bit amusing. At ISOC Québec, we have near 400 members from Quebec, and from Canada, and from United States (our newest member is Celestine from Springfield). Notwithstanding a few members from Africa and Arabic North Africa where French is spoken. Do you see any other NA French communities ? I know that you can find near 2,5 millions French speaking persons in United States and nearlye 1,8 million in Canada (other provinces in Canada). If we don't start somewhere, who will target those guys? Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Le 2011-08-02 17:22, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling.
This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures.
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource.
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I agree with Evan, but there is something about a brochure. I tend to collect them all at conferences and read through them later, following up on the details within. A business card is personal, meaning it is meant to reflect the person giving it. A business card for NARALO should be an "oversized" card to distinguish it. From: Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:22 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org ; Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling. This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures. This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages. This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource. - Evan
I agree with you Garth. I tend to leaf through a brochure and the *if* something catches my eye, then go to the website. If I was given a card with just a website, I probably wouldn’t bother. But then again, I still like paper books. Maybe I’m a bit of a Neanderthal in this day and age! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca<mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> From: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:28 AM To: Evan Leibovitch; Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures I agree with Evan, but there is something about a brochure. I tend to collect them all at conferences and read through them later, following up on the details within. A business card is personal, meaning it is meant to reflect the person giving it. A business card for NARALO should be an "oversized" card to distinguish it. From: Evan Leibovitch<mailto:evan@telly.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:22 PM To: Thompson, Darlene<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; Garth Bruen at Knujon.com<mailto:gbruen@knujon.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling. This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures. This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages. This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource. - Evan
we're all a little bit Neanderthal ;-) http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/183012/20110719/neanderthal-human-genetics-n... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:44 AM To: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures
I agree with you Garth. I tend to leaf through a brochure and the *if* something catches my eye, then go to the website. If I was given a card with just a website, I probably wouldn’t bother.
But then again, I still like paper books. Maybe I’m a bit of a Neanderthal in this day and age!
D
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From: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:28 AM To: Evan Leibovitch; Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures
I agree with Evan, but there is something about a brochure. I tend to collect them all at conferences and read through them later, following up on the details within.
A business card is personal, meaning it is meant to reflect the person giving it. A business card for NARALO should be an "oversized" card to distinguish it.
From: Evan Leibovitch<mailto:evan@telly.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:22 PM To: Thompson, Darlene<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; Garth Bruen at Knujon.com<mailto:gbruen@knujon.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures
Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling.
This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures.
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource.
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Maybe what you are looking for is "Palm Cards" -- google they come in all sizes or Rack Cards 4 x 9 inches-- google both for rates, lots of printers. You'd be surprised how cheap full color, glossy 2 sided printing is these days. Where I work we routinely order 1000 pieces bookmark size for about $40. Maybe ICANN selects a printer and has printer ship to each RALO? Also,At 9:27 AM -0400 8/3/11, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com recently said:
I agree with Evan, but there is something about a brochure. I tend to collect them all at conferences and read through them later, following up on the details within.
A business card is personal, meaning it is meant to reflect the person giving it. A business card for NARALO should be an "oversized" card to distinguish it.
From: Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:22 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org ; Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Brochures
Truth be told, I'm finding this discussion both mildly amusing and very puzzling.
This is the INTERNET. It -- and the digital contents it contains, such as this email -- is unconstrained by the physical and time-based limitations imposed on paper documents such as brochures.
This discussion thread offers a powerful argument in favor of tossing the concept of printed brochures entirely. In its stead, we could have stable URLs for the information we want in all applicable languages, and print NARALO business cards that contain the URLs in all available languages.
This would be far less expensive to produce, eliminate the need to limit the message into the available page size, and reduce the arguing over a needlessly scarce resource.
- Evan
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Well, I will be satisfied with a few (~100). Right, now I have none. -ed On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net> wrote:
Gentlemen,
You have each asked that the entire inventories of NARALO brouchures in French and Spanish be committed exclusively to your hands.
I wish to observe that while French is spoken primarily in Quebec in the North American Region, and Spanish is spoken primarily in Puerto Rico in the North American Region, that it is possible that there are needs for NARALO brochures, in French, and in Spanish, which may be as well served by others.
I don't doubt that there are too few brochures to go around, but if all non-English brouchures are allocated to the ALSs in Quebec and Puerto Rico, that exhausts that resource and limits outreach to the Francophone and Hispanophone populations of the region except those in the Province of Quebec and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
Equitably, and in cooperation, Eric
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Avri Doria -
ebw＠abenaki.wabanaki.net -
Eduardo Diaz -
Evan Leibovitch -
Garth Bruen at Knujon.com -
Heidi Ullrich -
Houle Louis -
Jean Armour Polly -
John R. Levine -
Joly MacFie -
Thompson, Darlene