Status of Vote | Call for Additional Votes
Dear Colleagues, As you may know, our Operating Principles require an affirmative vote of 70% of the accredited ALSs from North America to become operational. Prior to today's announcement, we were just one vote short of the 70% requirement. Since the vote is still open -- and will continue to be open until we have either 70% approval or 30% rejection -- I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs. I understand from Nick that the new organizations have been following the discussions. I hope they will be in a position to vote as soon as possible. For those of you who abstained because you did not have time to review the documents, please take the time today, this weekend, or as soon as you are able, to review the documents again. We would like you to consider changing your abstention into either an express approval or disapproval of the Operating Procedures and Code of Conduct. (Links in footer below). If you haven't yet voted, all you need to do to vote is send a message to the "official" North American list at na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org identifying yourself, your organization, and saying "yes," "no," or "abstain" with regard to the (1) Operating Procedures, and (2) Code of Conduct. If you could copy me at bfausett (at) internet.law.pro, I would be grateful. Please let me know if you have any questions. We are almost there! Bret
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007 Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region. This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person. This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST). If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information: -- START -- (a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters) (b) Your e-mail address. (c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID. (d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all. (e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address. (f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held. (g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission. (h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships. -- END -- PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE. Please let me know if you have any questions. Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
Interesting call, consistent with principles that haven't yet been ratified. It hardly seems consistent to open the call before the procedures for their evaluation have been determined. --Wendy Bret Fausett wrote:
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
-- END --
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Fellow, Oxford Internet Institute Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
Our agreed deadline is tonight, at midnight, Hawaii-Aluetian Time. http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Hawaii-Aleutian/s/-10/java/ By a separate message, I'll post some proposed steps forward. -- Bret Begin forwarded message:
From: Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> Date: May 18, 2007 12:17:14 PM PDT To: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, na- als@atlarge-lists.icann.org, alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
-- END --
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge- lists.icann.org
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Bret, I have a number of issues with this Call for Statements of Interest, not the least of which is the total lack of outreach other than postings to a small list with a limited number of subscribers. The process being used to recommend candidates is unfair to the vast legions of North American at-large users that have the legitimate expectation of proper notice. Further, I take issue with the legitimacy of a Call and deadline initiated before the ratification of organizational Operating Principles. Be advised that it is my intent to file a complaint with the Ombudsman's office. regards, Danny --- Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Our agreed deadline is tonight, at midnight, Hawaii-Aluetian Time.
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Hawaii-Aleutian/s/-10/java/
By a separate message, I'll post some proposed steps forward.
-- Bret
Begin forwarded message:
From: Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> Date: May 18, 2007 12:17:14 PM PDT To: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, na- als@atlarge-lists.icann.org, alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy
http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm.
This
document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
-- END --
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge-
lists.icann.org
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
_______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica...
--- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished? Gareth On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Danny Younger wrote:
Bret,
I have a number of issues with this Call for Statements of Interest, not the least of which is the total lack of outreach other than postings to a small list with a limited number of subscribers. The process being used to recommend candidates is unfair to the vast legions of North American at-large users that have the legitimate expectation of proper notice. Further, I take issue with the legitimacy of a Call and deadline initiated before the ratification of organizational Operating Principles. Be advised that it is my intent to file a complaint with the Ombudsman's office.
regards, Danny
--- Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Our agreed deadline is tonight, at midnight, Hawaii-Aluetian Time.
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Hawaii-Aleutian/s/-10/java/
By a separate message, I'll post some proposed steps forward.
-- Bret
Begin forwarded message:
From: Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> Date: May 18, 2007 12:17:14 PM PDT To: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, na- als@atlarge-lists.icann.org, alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy
http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm.
This
document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
-- END --
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge-
lists.icann.org
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
_______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge- lists.icann.org
--- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
______________________________________________________________________ ______________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
_______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge- lists.icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Gareth, this Call was posted to the list before the Operating Principles were even ratified. danny --- Gareth Shearman <shearman@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
Gareth
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Danny Younger wrote:
Bret,
I have a number of issues with this Call for Statements of Interest, not the least of which is the total lack of outreach other than postings to a small list with a limited number of subscribers. The process being used to recommend candidates is unfair to the vast legions of North American at-large users that have the legitimate expectation of proper notice. Further, I take issue with the legitimacy of a Call and deadline initiated before the ratification of organizational Operating Principles. Be advised that it is my intent to file a complaint with the Ombudsman's office.
regards, Danny
--- Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Our agreed deadline is tonight, at midnight, Hawaii-Aluetian Time.
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Hawaii-Aleutian/s/-10/java/
By a separate message, I'll post some proposed
steps
forward.
-- Bret
Begin forwarded message:
From: Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> Date: May 18, 2007 12:17:14 PM PDT To: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, na- als@atlarge-lists.icann.org, alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
-- START --
(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy
http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm.
This
document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
-- END --
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
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Gareth Shearman wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
I don't think that anything has been formally ratified -- that requires agreement by both NARALO members and ICANN staff. Having said that, it appears that we've generally agreed on wording for the OP and are close to it on the MOU. Unless there are some serious roadblocks -- most of which have been cleared AFAIK -- ratification could come as early as the in-person meeting on Sunday. - Evan
Evan, I believe that we *have* ratified the OP and Code of Conduct. That didn't need to be approved by ICANN staff as it was the NARALO Operating Principals and Code of Conduct and ICANN has no say in same. The MOU is totally different as it is an agreement between the NARALO and ICANN. Danny, if outreach was to be done, why was it not done in the last few years when there were people sitting on their hands on this list and not doing it. Outreach is up to the ALSs. If that hasn't been done yet, I cannot see that by throwing up this artificial and transparent roadblock now is acceptable. I understand how upset you must be at not being approved as an ALS but please stop trying to stymie this process that the majority of us want to pursue. Darlene Sitting in the Ottawa Airport, waiting for my flight
sigh<
________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 2:20 PM Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC Gareth Shearman wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
I don't think that anything has been formally ratified -- that requires agreement by both NARALO members and ICANN staff. Having said that, it appears that we've generally agreed on wording for the OP and are close to it on the MOU. Unless there are some serious roadblocks -- most of which have been cleared AFAIK -- ratification could come as early as the in-person meeting on Sunday. - Evan _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica... --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Danny, if outreach was to be done, why was it not done in the last few years when there were people sitting on their hands on this list and not doing it.
The nominating commitee engages in extensive outreach for the ALAC members it appoints. For the interim members appointed by the board, there was also an extensive informal outreach process. That's how they found me, I had no involvement with ICANN before that. (Well, other than a paper I wrote in 1996, long before ICANN was set up, that invented the registry/registrar division of work.) I have to agree that limiting the solicitations to the tiny set of NA ALS would be a major step backwards from the far from idea status quo. R's, John
Darlene, The Call for Statements of Interest was not posted on the NARALO website, it was not posted on the ALAC website, it was not posted on the ICANN website; neither was it posted on ICANN's public participation website, nor in the ICANN Blog. It was not in an ICANN newsletter, nor in an ICANN news alert nor in an at-large newsletter. Confining the Call only to subscribers of this list was patently unfair and remains unacceptable. A complaint will be lodged. --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Evan, I believe that we *have* ratified the OP and Code of Conduct. That didn't need to be approved by ICANN staff as it was the NARALO Operating Principals and Code of Conduct and ICANN has no say in same. The MOU is totally different as it is an agreement between the NARALO and ICANN.
Danny, if outreach was to be done, why was it not done in the last few years when there were people sitting on their hands on this list and not doing it. Outreach is up to the ALSs. If that hasn't been done yet, I cannot see that by throwing up this artificial and transparent roadblock now is acceptable.
I understand how upset you must be at not being approved as an ALS but please stop trying to stymie this process that the majority of us want to pursue.
Darlene Sitting in the Ottawa Airport, waiting for my flight
sigh<
________________________________
From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 2:20 PM Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
Gareth Shearman wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
I don't think that anything has been formally ratified -- that requires agreement by both NARALO members and ICANN staff. Having said that, it appears that we've generally agreed on wording for the OP and are close to it on the MOU.
Unless there are some serious roadblocks -- most of which have been cleared AFAIK -- ratification could come as early as the in-person meeting on Sunday.
- Evan
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Danny, You might have a point there. However, why did you not bring it up at the beginning of the process so that constructive progress could have been made on this and postings initiated? Why do you leave it until the last minute and then try to throw up a road block? Why use the complaint process when you could have been part of the solution? D ________________________________ From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 4:23 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC Darlene, The Call for Statements of Interest was not posted on the NARALO website, it was not posted on the ALAC website, it was not posted on the ICANN website; neither was it posted on ICANN's public participation website, nor in the ICANN Blog. It was not in an ICANN newsletter, nor in an ICANN news alert nor in an at-large newsletter. Confining the Call only to subscribers of this list was patently unfair and remains unacceptable. A complaint will be lodged. --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Evan, I believe that we *have* ratified the OP and Code of Conduct. That didn't need to be approved by ICANN staff as it was the NARALO Operating Principals and Code of Conduct and ICANN has no say in same. The MOU is totally different as it is an agreement between the NARALO and ICANN.
Danny, if outreach was to be done, why was it not done in the last few years when there were people sitting on their hands on this list and not doing it. Outreach is up to the ALSs. If that hasn't been done yet, I cannot see that by throwing up this artificial and transparent roadblock now is acceptable.
I understand how upset you must be at not being approved as an ALS but please stop trying to stymie this process that the majority of us want to pursue.
Darlene Sitting in the Ottawa Airport, waiting for my flight
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From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 2:20 PM Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
Gareth Shearman wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
I don't think that anything has been formally ratified -- that requires agreement by both NARALO members and ICANN staff. Having said that, it appears that we've generally agreed on wording for the OP and are close to it on the MOU.
Unless there are some serious roadblocks -- most of which have been cleared AFAIK -- ratification could come as early as the in-person meeting on Sunday.
- Evan
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Quick question - according to the OP, the potential pool of candidates is limited to members of an ALS or "unaffiliated individuals) - how are those unaffiliated individuals counted - any natural person living in NA region and not a member of an ALS and subscribed to the list? Any length of time requirements for list membership - i.e. can I see the call on a website, join the list and nominate - all in the same day for example? The reason I ask is that - if the latter is acceptable by the OP, then yes the call should have been widely disseminated, so people could join the list and then be nominated. If not, if the only people who are eligible are people who are already members of the list, then maybe sending the information to the members of the list would be OK. Also in 11 in the OP, it does not specify who exactly is the North American Internet Community - if it's the members of the RALO (ALSes and unaffiliated individuals) or the wider public. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:23 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC Darlene, The Call for Statements of Interest was not posted on the NARALO website, it was not posted on the ALAC website, it was not posted on the ICANN website; neither was it posted on ICANN's public participation website, nor in the ICANN Blog. It was not in an ICANN newsletter, nor in an ICANN news alert nor in an at-large newsletter. Confining the Call only to subscribers of this list was patently unfair and remains unacceptable. A complaint will be lodged. --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Evan, I believe that we *have* ratified the OP and Code of Conduct. That didn't need to be approved by ICANN staff as it was the NARALO Operating Principals and Code of Conduct and ICANN has no say in same. The MOU is totally different as it is an agreement between the NARALO and ICANN.
Danny, if outreach was to be done, why was it not done in the last few years when there were people sitting on their hands on this list and not doing it. Outreach is up to the ALSs. If that hasn't been done yet, I cannot see that by throwing up this artificial and transparent roadblock now is acceptable.
I understand how upset you must be at not being approved as an ALS but please stop trying to stymie this process that the majority of us want to pursue.
Darlene Sitting in the Ottawa Airport, waiting for my flight
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From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 2:20 PM Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [NA-ALS] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
Gareth Shearman wrote:
I was under the impression that we have ratified the operating principles and it is now just the MOU that needs to be finished?
I don't think that anything has been formally ratified -- that requires agreement by both NARALO members and ICANN staff. Having said that, it appears that we've generally agreed on wording for the OP and are close to it on the MOU.
Unless there are some serious roadblocks -- most of which have been cleared AFAIK -- ratification could come as early as the in-person meeting on Sunday.
- Evan
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Dear Colleagues, As you may recall, when we were creating the NARALO, we agreed that we would select our ALAC members by a rough consensus process (as described in Para. 12 of the Operating Procedures, http:// www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP). This year, we will be selecting two ALAC members, one for a two-year term and the other for a one-year term. As Interim Chair, I would like to describe what I see as the path forward on this consensus process. (a) If we have only one candidate, I propose that we seek consensus around seating that candidate for the two-year term. We will then engage in a series of arm-twisting exercises to see if we can coerce someone to serve for the one-year term. (b) If we have exactly two candidates, I would ask the candidates themselves to see if they can agree on who will serve the one-year term and who will serve the two-year term. If they can agree, then we will seek consensus around seating them both for their agreed terms. (c) In the event that two candidates cannot agree on term lengths *or* if we have more than two candidates, then I would ask all of the candidates to speak to the NARALO General Assembly, both in person in San Juan and by email on the NA-Discuss list, about their vision, commitment, expectations, experience, et al., and then, after some appropriate amount of time, the length of which we should discuss, I would like to call for an anonymous straw poll (anonymous, but verifiable by the Chair and Staff) to gauge the support for each. If the results of the straw poll suggest that there are two obvious choices, I will share the results with the candidates privately and see if they can agree on who should sit for which terms and who should stand down. If they can agree, then we will have a public ratification vote, or "hum," to make the results official. If they cannot agree, then we will continue the discussion and, after some appropriate time to be agreed by all, we will call for a public vote. (d) While it would be nice to seat two candidates while in San Juan, this is an aspirational goal, not a fixed deadline. We should take whatever time is necessary to ensure that we have rough consensus around the process itself. As long as we have new ALAC members seated by the Los Angeles meeting in October, we should consider ourselves "on track." * * * * * After the ALAC election is complete, we will call for formal election of a permanent Chair for the General Assembly. -- Bret
Hi Bret, While I admire the enthusiasm you are displaying (i.e. "I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs" and "We are almost there!"), my own view is that more neutrality should be displayed as those whose views oppose the adoption of the current Operating Principles should also be respected. I'd like to raise one other point. I have been subscribed to web405 for quite a while now, and I don't ever recall seeing a discussion on the list regarding either adoption or rejection of the Operating Principles. Frankly, it's a rare day when any topic even remotely related to the DNS gets discussed... on what basis then did the web405 vote get cast if it wasn't discussed or ratified by the membership? Best regards, Danny --- Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
As you may know, our Operating Principles require an affirmative vote of 70% of the accredited ALSs from North America to become operational. Prior to today's announcement, we were just one vote short of the 70% requirement. Since the vote is still open -- and will continue to be open until we have either 70% approval or 30% rejection -- I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs. I understand from Nick that the new organizations have been following the discussions. I hope they will be in a position to vote as soon as possible.
For those of you who abstained because you did not have time to review the documents, please take the time today, this weekend, or as soon as you are able, to review the documents again. We would like you to consider changing your abstention into either an express approval or disapproval of the Operating Procedures and Code of Conduct. (Links in footer below).
If you haven't yet voted, all you need to do to vote is send a message to the "official" North American list at na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org identifying yourself, your organization, and saying "yes," "no," or "abstain" with regard to the (1) Operating Procedures, and (2) Code of Conduct. If you could copy me at bfausett (at) internet.law.pro, I would be grateful.
Please let me know if you have any questions. We are almost there!
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Welcome. For those of you who haven't yet voted, I recommend voting against these procedures that are slanted against the participation of individuals. Thanks, --Wendy Bret Fausett wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
As you may know, our Operating Principles require an affirmative vote of 70% of the accredited ALSs from North America to become operational. Prior to today's announcement, we were just one vote short of the 70% requirement. Since the vote is still open -- and will continue to be open until we have either 70% approval or 30% rejection -- I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs. I understand from Nick that the new organizations have been following the discussions. I hope they will be in a position to vote as soon as possible.
For those of you who abstained because you did not have time to review the documents, please take the time today, this weekend, or as soon as you are able, to review the documents again. We would like you to consider changing your abstention into either an express approval or disapproval of the Operating Procedures and Code of Conduct. (Links in footer below).
If you haven't yet voted, all you need to do to vote is send a message to the "official" North American list at na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org identifying yourself, your organization, and saying "yes," "no," or "abstain" with regard to the (1) Operating Procedures, and (2) Code of Conduct. If you could copy me at bfausett (at) internet.law.pro, I would be grateful.
Please let me know if you have any questions. We are almost there!
Bret
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Wendy, The currently proposed structure of NARALO is such that it allows more effective participation of unaffiliated users than any of the other four RALOs. Contrary to other RALOs, NARALO allows participation of unaffiliated individuals along the following modalities: - unaffiliated individuals are considered as de facto members of our RALO, - unaffiliated individuals can be selected as ALAC representatives of our RALO, - unaffiliated individuals select 2 voting delegates to our RALO's General Assembly, - unaffiliated individuals can participate in all NARALO general discussions. I don't see how our OP are "slanted against the participation of individuals". Regards, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: 18 mai 2007 20:44 To: Bret Fausett Cc: na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Status of Vote | Call for Additional Votes
Welcome. For those of you who haven't yet voted, I recommend voting against these procedures that are slanted against the participation of individuals.
Thanks, --Wendy
Bret Fausett wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
As you may know, our Operating Principles require an affirmative vote of 70% of the accredited ALSs from North America to become operational. Prior to today's announcement, we were just one vote short of the 70% requirement. Since the vote is still open -- and will continue to be open until we have either 70% approval or 30% rejection -- I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs. I understand from Nick that the new organizations have been following the discussions. I hope they will be in a position to vote as soon as possible.
For those of you who abstained because you did not have time to review the documents, please take the time today, this weekend, or as soon as you are able, to review the documents again. We would like you to consider changing your abstention into either an express approval or disapproval of the Operating Procedures and Code of Conduct. (Links in footer below).
If you haven't yet voted, all you need to do to vote is send a message to the "official" North American list at na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org identifying yourself, your organization, and saying "yes," "no," or "abstain" with regard to the (1) Operating Procedures, and (2) Code of Conduct. If you could copy me at bfausett (at) internet.law.pro, I would be grateful.
Please let me know if you have any questions. We are almost there!
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Ever since the RegisterFly mess started to become apparent (an event that has impacted hundreds of thousands of registrations), ICANN has been in receipt of hundreds upon hundreds of comments from an angry community. Comments have been sent to the ICANN blog, to the public participation site, to the ALAC Forum... ... and what has been the response of those of you that claim to represent the public interest? Discussions pertaining to dealing with the policy issues raised by the RegisterFly event on every single RALO list have been almost nil. This is pathetic. You should be ashamed. You should be embarrassed. Do any of you really care about the at-large, or are you just playing at Internet Governance? If you do care, then show me the proof of your resolve. I want to see a policy recommendation and/or issues report on all those matters that have affected this registrant community. I want to see discussion. To do any less will thoroughly demonstrate the total farce that "structure-building" represents while a fire is burning in your midst. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
Danny Younger ha scritto:
... and what has been the response of those of you that claim to represent the public interest?
Discussions pertaining to dealing with the policy issues raised by the RegisterFly event on every single RALO list have been almost nil. This is pathetic. You should be ashamed. You should be embarrassed.
Do any of you really care about the at-large, or are you just playing at Internet Governance?
Danny, please don't be ridiculous. In Lisbon, there was an entire session devoted to post-Registerfly actions, with several of us speaking. The ALAC drafted and released a resolution through a public process. Also because of that, the ICANN Board requested the CEO to start a process to deal with the matter. I've been taking a week away from my job to fly into a Board retreat in Mountain View, one fourth of which was devoted to "how do we deal with our responsibilities towards the general public". And no later than yesterday, I screwed up a dinner with friends because I got stuck in a 2-hour conference call of the GNSO Review WG, advocating (not alone) the creation of a constituency for individual registrants in the GNSO, exactly as one of the things that the Registerfly case shows as necessary. Sure, I don't think that Internet groups in Africa or in the Far East have been discussing a lot about the failure of a US registrar, but there's a long way before saying that no one in the At Large cares about the issue. Frankly, several ALAC members care a lot and I am sure that many of the ALSes do. I'd also be happy if the most active individuals who were affected by Registerfly formed an ALS and started to be active in the NARALO - I am sure that everyone would welcome them. For example, you could contact them and encourage them to join, or you could propose resolutions on this list (though I'd think that first you sort out the proceduralities, then you get to policy, and to this regard, the more you extend the discussion on operating principles etc, and the later you get to discussing policy). There is a lot of constructive things that you could do. Just do them. Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Vittorio, Sorry, but I don't see a single RALO engaged in discussions pertaining to policy changes that would better protect registrants in the wake of the RegisterFly mess. I've already proposed that what we need is a policy to govern transfers between registrants at a single registrar so that registrants may invoke a dispute resolution procedure in the event that a registrar replaces a registrant's contact details with that of the registrar (an issue that has come up repeatedly in RegisterFly-related comments). Unfortunately, North American At-Large members would rather be debating the nuances of geographical representation within a RALO instead of acting to put into place a plan to deal with legitimate registrant issues. Once more "structure-building" is taking precedence over real action that could assist the registrant community. I've seen this phenomenon in the IDNO, in ICANNATLARGE, and now in the RALOs... so I'm not surprised... it's a nice way for ICANN to keep the At-Large distracted in their own little sandbox. Too bad that the registrants have to continue to suffer while their purported representatives are busy playing the Internet Governance game. ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Hi Danny Their purported representatives are the members of the ALSes. That includes you. So if it is a big issue in the North American user community, why not start something instead of bemoaning the fact that others are not doing anything? You are knowledgeable on and passionate about this issue, so - you start, and people who are interested will join you. I promise I will provide support to you in this endeavour. Earlier today I suggested that the people interested in forming a working group or requesting an issues report get together and start the process towards doing that. Some other regions are not that interested in the failure of a US registrar, based on the discussions I have seen. I have seen a lot of discussion in my region recently about other issues, like ccTLDs and IDNs. A lot of people in the LAC region use ccTLDs and there are other issues that interest them when they talk about registrars. I think that you should focus on issues that are important to your region - you can send info on issues to other regions, but hey - if it isn’t that important to them, an they don't respond, why abuse them because they aren't excited about the same things that are important to you? Diversity is interesting. Life would be sooo boring if we were all only interested in the same things. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:18 PM To: Vittorio Bertola Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Will the Real At-Large Please Stand Up Vittorio, Sorry, but I don't see a single RALO engaged in discussions pertaining to policy changes that would better protect registrants in the wake of the RegisterFly mess. I've already proposed that what we need is a policy to govern transfers between registrants at a single registrar so that registrants may invoke a dispute resolution procedure in the event that a registrar replaces a registrant's contact details with that of the registrar (an issue that has come up repeatedly in RegisterFly-related comments). Unfortunately, North American At-Large members would rather be debating the nuances of geographical representation within a RALO instead of acting to put into place a plan to deal with legitimate registrant issues. Once more "structure-building" is taking precedence over real action that could assist the registrant community. I've seen this phenomenon in the IDNO, in ICANNATLARGE, and now in the RALOs... so I'm not surprised... it's a nice way for ICANN to keep the At-Large distracted in their own little sandbox. Too bad that the registrants have to continue to suffer while their purported representatives are busy playing the Internet Governance game. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.5/812 - Release Date: 5/19/2007 1:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.5/812 - Release Date: 5/19/2007 1:52 PM
On 19-May-07, at 9:56 AM, Danny Younger wrote:
... and what has been the response of those of you that claim to represent the public interest?
1. It would be good to get a sense from other regions on how their users were impacted and what if anything they have published on the issue. 2. The issue is a consumer protection issue - one that ICANN has long ignored. It know needs to take steps to improve registrar compliance and help educate the public on the issue. 3. With the proposed 07/08 budget just out - it might be worthwhile for all the At-large regions to comb through it and identify what areas could be improved from a user perspective. A couple of points to raise on the budget: * Taking the RegisterFly issue into consideration, we could make sure that ICANN budgets appropriately to ensure they have the staff and internal resources needed to deal with a similiar problem. * ALAC could propose ways to collaborate with ICANN to enable greater participation of individual users at all ICANN meetings by focusing on virtual means as well as outreach. Individual domain name holders should have materials that help it understand how ICANN works, and yes - how to get in touch with local and/or regional At-large structures. And finally, 4. Active ALAC members have indeed discussed the RegisterFly issue... from the Lisbon meeting transcript... Ref: http://blog.icann.org/?p=87 specifically: Vittorio Bertola (ICANN Board member, ALAC) http://blog.icann.org/?p=87#bertola Patrick Vande Walle (European RALO member, ISOC BoT) http://blog.icann.org/?p=87#vandewalle As for recommendations on what ALAC could do, see Elliot Noss's (President and CEO, Tucows, a registrar) comment: http://blog.icann.org/?p=87#noss Would be interesting to hear back from ALAC and the ALS's that might have been in Lisbon. Did they hear Noss's comments, and if so what do they think about them? I believe a window of opportunity exists for At-Large to be involved in a leading consumer protection issue. An opportunity exists to collaborate with one of the leading registrars on this - will it care to do so? _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: 19 mai 2007 09:56 To: Luc Faubert; Wendy Seltzer; Bret Fausett Cc: NA Discuss; na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Will the Real At-Large Please Stand Up
Ever since the RegisterFly mess started to become apparent (an event that has impacted hundreds of thousands of registrations), ICANN has been in receipt of hundreds upon hundreds of comments from an angry community.
Comments have been sent to the ICANN blog, to the public participation site, to the ALAC Forum...
... and what has been the response of those of you that claim to represent the public interest?
Discussions pertaining to dealing with the policy issues raised by the RegisterFly event on every single RALO list have been almost nil. This is pathetic. You should be ashamed. You should be embarrassed.
Do any of you really care about the at-large, or are you just playing at Internet Governance?
If you do care, then show me the proof of your resolve. I want to see a policy recommendation and/or issues report on all those matters that have affected this registrant community. I want to see discussion. To do any less will thoroughly demonstrate the total farce that "structure-building" represents while a fire is burning in your midst.
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As part of contingency plans, I propose ICANN set up a trust-like feature to handle defunctioning registrars and registries. The trust should have a constituency-based board and managed by a competent party. The purpose, a place to transfer the records while providing for a temporary repository where registrars won't be directly effected. The DNS should still resolve, registrants should still manage domains, and there should be an intent to transfer domains to a new registrar. Registries should also be reassigned to an entity that could continue management of the registry. On a temporary basis, this trust-like structure should have all the necessary means to provide management while solving the issue of where to go from there. There should be firm contingency plans for this at some point. As part of this entity, ICANN should fund an entity to have all-inclusive responsibility for this issue, not just contracting to an existing registrar or registry, where the possibility would exist that it too would become defunct. Thanks, Randy Glass A@L On 5/19/07, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ever since the RegisterFly mess started to become apparent (an event that has impacted hundreds of thousands of registrations), ICANN has been in receipt of hundreds upon hundreds of comments from an angry community.
Comments have been sent to the ICANN blog, to the public participation site, to the ALAC Forum...
... and what has been the response of those of you that claim to represent the public interest?
Discussions pertaining to dealing with the policy issues raised by the RegisterFly event on every single RALO list have been almost nil. This is pathetic. You should be ashamed. You should be embarrassed.
Do any of you really care about the at-large, or are you just playing at Internet Governance?
If you do care, then show me the proof of your resolve. I want to see a policy recommendation and/or issues report on all those matters that have affected this registrant community. I want to see discussion. To do any less will thoroughly demonstrate the total farce that "structure-building" represents while a fire is burning in your midst.
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Randy, You raise a good point regarding the need to consider registries as part of the equation. Consider the following: TheGlobe.com acquired the .travel registry a few years ago
From Form 10-Q for THEGLOBE.COM INC. 11-May-2007 Quarterly Report
"Based upon the Company's current financial condition, as discussed above, and without the infusion of additional capital, management does not believe that the Company will be able to fund its operations beyond May 2007." http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070511/tglo.ob10-q.html Will the potential failure of theglobe.com impact its .travel registry subsidiary? Maybe, or maybe not, but we may need to ask if a registry failure plan has been made ready. Perhaps ICANN Staff can inform us as to developments in this area... --- "RJGlass | America@Large" <jipshida@gmail.com> wrote:
As part of contingency plans, I propose ICANN set up a trust-like feature to handle defunctioning registrars and registries. The trust should have a constituency-based board and managed by a competent party.
The purpose, a place to transfer the records while providing for a temporary repository where registrars won't be directly effected. The DNS should still resolve, registrants should still manage domains, and there should be an intent to transfer domains to a new registrar. Registries should also be reassigned to an entity that could continue management of the registry.
On a temporary basis, this trust-like structure should have all the necessary means to provide management while solving the issue of where to go from there. There should be firm contingency plans for this at some point.
As part of this entity, ICANN should fund an entity to have all-inclusive responsibility for this issue, not just contracting to an existing registrar or registry, where the possibility would exist that it too would become defunct.
Thanks, Randy Glass A@L
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I hope all this will be resolved in the rules somewhere, or in the MOU so we don't have to continue 'making it up as we go along' randy Glass A@L On 5/18/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
As you may know, our Operating Principles require an affirmative vote of 70% of the accredited ALSs from North America to become operational. Prior to today's announcement, we were just one vote short of the 70% requirement. Since the vote is still open -- and will continue to be open until we have either 70% approval or 30% rejection -- I believe we should look for 70% of the new total of ALSs. I understand from Nick that the new organizations have been following the discussions. I hope they will be in a position to vote as soon as possible.
For those of you who abstained because you did not have time to review the documents, please take the time today, this weekend, or as soon as you are able, to review the documents again. We would like you to consider changing your abstention into either an express approval or disapproval of the Operating Procedures and Code of Conduct. (Links in footer below).
If you haven't yet voted, all you need to do to vote is send a message to the "official" North American list at na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org identifying yourself, your organization, and saying "yes," "no," or "abstain" with regard to the (1) Operating Procedures, and (2) Code of Conduct. If you could copy me at bfausett (at) internet.law.pro, I would be grateful.
Please let me know if you have any questions. We are almost there!
Bret
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Bret Fausett -
Danny Younger -
Evan Leibovitch -
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Jacqueline A. Morris -
John L -
Luc Faubert -
RJGlass | America＠Large -
Thompson, Darlene -
Vittorio Bertola -
Wendy Seltzer