Re: [NA-Discuss] I'm voting against changes to the NARALO Rules
At 2022-09-13 04:08 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 3:22 PM Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: Can you enlarge on that. The new rules remove the requirement to participate in meetings or other events and to vote. The major new requirement is to allow At-Large to send occasional messages to ALS members.
In my original mail sent 10 hours ago. nothing in the above were in my list of objections.
There is also a requirement that the representative update us on the ALS status every 2 years. Is that onerous?
5.7 - Giving new, undefined and fully discretionary powers to the chair that did not exist before and are not necessary
6.1.1 Extending the terms of of leadership unnecessarily
6.2 Extending term limits, also completely unnecessarily
7.2.1 Demands made on ALSs for needless service with no corresponding new benefit
Pretty well the entirety of Appendix A and Appendix B
It would be helpful if you could be more specific. The group that developed the new ALS responsibilities were VERY conscious about not making unreasonable or useless demands. Note that the first 4 bullets in Appendix A are the things that will disappear. What is left: 1. Allow us to send occasional messages to the ALS members (which you said you do not object to) 2. Report in every 2 years 3. Mention ICANN/At-large on your website (or other Internet presence) - which was always a requirement 4. Representative should respond if contacted, and involve their ALS members *IF* such a contribution seems appropriate (ALS decision) 5. Provide a link or email address to allow prospective ALS members to contact the ALS. What needless onerous service were you referring to? Alan
THAT's what's onerous, and outrageously so. It seems like the authors have totally lost touch with the concept of who is in service to who.
- Evan
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 4:55 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
It would be helpful if you could be more specific.
Given that the vote deadline is two days away, this is absolutely the wrong time to debate detail and nuance since the only outcome that matters right now is a binary yes/no on ratification. And I still haven't heard a defence of term and term-limit extensions or the power-grab in 5.7. Or why to have the comment period in the heart of North America's vacation season when no rush was necessary. - Evan
I agree with the changes. I don't think they are onerous. Yes, timing is sometimes an issue with ICANN and perhaps this could have been better timed. But in the end, I doubt that it would have resulted in much change. The team worked hard on this -- i was not part of it. I think they did a pretty good job. Marita On 2022-09-13 5:33 p.m., Judith Hellerstein via NA-Discuss wrote:
HI Evan,
The extension of the Term Limits was hotly debated over several sessions of the group working on the revised rules. Some parties wanted to extend the term to 4 terms, while others wanted a smaller to keep it as is. There was a compromise forged on 3 terms, up from 2. Numerous reasons were discussed, but the primary issue was 1) IF NA wanted to have an ALAC Chair, we need at least 3 terms to make that happen. 2) Some work could not be completed in 2 terms, but could be done in 3 terms. We wanted term limits for newcomers, but we also wanted to keep people who were very effective for one more term, for a total of 3 terms. So this was the compromise so that we can get all the benefits of the 2 issues I flagged. I am doing this by memory and hope I did not get it wrong.
Other changes were to have the rules be in compliance with the ALS and Individual rules that were adopted in the past years, and we needed to make them align with the NARALO Rules of Operations
Hope it was helpful
Best,
Judith
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On 9/13/2022 5:23 PM, Evan Leibovitch via NA-Discuss wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 4:55 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
It would be helpful if you could be more specific.
Given that the vote deadline is two days away, this is absolutely the wrong time to debate detail and nuance since the only outcome that matters right now is a binary yes/no on ratification.
And I still haven't heard a defence of term and term-limit extensions or the power-grab in 5.7. Or why to have the comment period in the heart of North America's vacation season when no rush was necessary.
- Evan
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