Agreed. We need to be really careful we do not go down this rat hole! (for non-English speakers, Definition #2 from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rat-hole - "To digress in an extensive way. To divert the conversation to a topic that is not only unrelated to the topic at hand, but a topic that will likely have no immediate resolution either.") Alan At 07/07/2017 08:48 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
While I agree that purpose is a central question and we will not be able to deal with data protection issues until we cut that gordian knot, since we just spent weeks on it in RDS I doubt we should attempt it in the Who2 review.
I think if we stick to a very tight interpretation of the last review's recommendations, and sail very tight to the wind, we can get through this in a reasonable time.
Stephanie
On 2017-07-07 04:36, Volker Greimann wrote:
The problem about asking this question is that to do so, we would first have to define the purpose of Whois and that is a bees nest because everyone only feels his part of the elephant in the darkness on that topic.
Not saying that we shouldn't do it anyway, but it would complicate our work significantly.
Best,
Volker
Am 06.07.2017 um 17:37 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST discuss this. I have no problem with discussing whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit for purpose, but it better be a pretty short discussion! If anyone has a good argument why it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared pretty quickly.
The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle today's IDN world, and the inability to handle any level of authorization/authentication/gating (which is generally understood to be necessary to allow critical information to be collected but not universally displayed in support of privacy legislation) makes the answer pretty clear. And as the charter Carlton points to indicates, this has been clear for quite some time.
This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well beyond our scope to debate whether the current protocol can be modified to meet new needs, to specify or design a replacement or to review possible replacements. And I have little interest in debating whether any new protocol should be called WHOIS (pretending it is the same), WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or Betelgeuse.
Alan
At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Dear All: I believe this review will have to answer the question as to whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved DNS environment in one or other job stream. Some may recall that the RDAP is being proposed as a fit and proper replacement.
You may wish for background to examine the IETF charters for Web Extensible Internet Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came RDAP.
<https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters>https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters
Best, -Carlton
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