List of Research Papers about the RSS, was Possible new work for the Caucus
Dear RSSAC Caucus, The RSSAC held their monthly meeting Tuesday and discussed the possibility of the Caucus hosting a list of research papers about the RSS. I took an action item to write this mail to the Caucus to continue the discussion and provide some feedback from the RSSAC. Any list that the Caucus maintains will likely be incomplete and can never be authoritative. There will always be papers that we don’t know about and the list will certainly grow over time. So while it’s an interesting idea, we may be biting off more that we can chew. We expect the list to start with a large number of papers (maybe 50-100?) and will grow significantly over time. [I recently helped create a similar list on routing security for the SSAC’s publication SAC121, and that list has a little over 100 entries, I suspect this list will start with a similar amount.] At that point it’s no longer a simple list, but rather a list of lists that must be broken up into categories. The management of this list would certainly require a considerable labor investment. It would be best if the people who want this list are therefore the ones who curate it. We can develop guidelines for curation, but the actual work should be handled by those who want to volunteer for creating and maintaining the list. A good first step would be for a Caucus member to curate a list themselves of the kind of papers they would like to see and share it. Maybe someone reading this already has such a list. Finally, assuming the RSSAC Caucus takes this work on and we develop guidelines for curation, are there any volunteers who are interested in managing this list of papers? Thanks, Andrew
Hey, Andrew, I've been working with my team members recently to collect this kind of research work. I hope to release it in the next few days. Baojun. Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> 于2022年10月13日周四 22:50写道：
Dear RSSAC Caucus,
The RSSAC held their monthly meeting Tuesday and discussed the possibility of the Caucus hosting a list of research papers about the RSS. I took an action item to write this mail to the Caucus to continue the discussion and provide some feedback from the RSSAC.
Any list that the Caucus maintains will likely be incomplete and can never be authoritative. There will always be papers that we don’t know about and the list will certainly grow over time. So while it’s an interesting idea, we may be biting off more that we can chew. We expect the list to start with a large number of papers (maybe 50-100?) and will grow significantly over time. [I recently helped create a similar list on routing security for the SSAC’s publication SAC121, and that list has a little over 100 entries, I suspect this list will start with a similar amount.] At that point it’s no longer a simple list, but rather a list of lists that must be broken up into categories. The management of this list would certainly require a considerable labor investment.
It would be best if the people who want this list are therefore the ones who curate it. We can develop guidelines for curation, but the actual work should be handled by those who want to volunteer for creating and maintaining the list.
A good first step would be for a Caucus member to curate a list themselves of the kind of papers they would like to see and share it. Maybe someone reading this already has such a list.
Finally, assuming the RSSAC Caucus takes this work on and we develop guidelines for curation, are there any volunteers who are interested in managing this list of papers?
Thanks, Andrew
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Hey Andrew, and Dear RSSAC Caucus member, Recently, we have finished a draft list of research paper abount the RSS. The list is, of course, not yet complete. Please feel free to comment on it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zu3PdI38X3wnMZ53tgkoF-ccwGGkxmMavVGB-5oG... Baojun Liu. Tsinghua University. Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> 于2022年10月14日周五 11:48写道：
Hey, Andrew,
I've been working with my team members recently to collect this kind of research work. I hope to release it in the next few days.
Baojun.
Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> 于2022年10月13日周四 22:50写道：
Dear RSSAC Caucus,
The RSSAC held their monthly meeting Tuesday and discussed the possibility of the Caucus hosting a list of research papers about the RSS. I took an action item to write this mail to the Caucus to continue the discussion and provide some feedback from the RSSAC.
Any list that the Caucus maintains will likely be incomplete and can never be authoritative. There will always be papers that we don’t know about and the list will certainly grow over time. So while it’s an interesting idea, we may be biting off more that we can chew. We expect the list to start with a large number of papers (maybe 50-100?) and will grow significantly over time. [I recently helped create a similar list on routing security for the SSAC’s publication SAC121, and that list has a little over 100 entries, I suspect this list will start with a similar amount.] At that point it’s no longer a simple list, but rather a list of lists that must be broken up into categories. The management of this list would certainly require a considerable labor investment.
It would be best if the people who want this list are therefore the ones who curate it. We can develop guidelines for curation, but the actual work should be handled by those who want to volunteer for creating and maintaining the list.
A good first step would be for a Caucus member to curate a list themselves of the kind of papers they would like to see and share it. Maybe someone reading this already has such a list.
Finally, assuming the RSSAC Caucus takes this work on and we develop guidelines for curation, are there any volunteers who are interested in managing this list of papers?
Thanks, Andrew
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On Oct 29, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
Recently, we have finished a draft list of research paper abount the RSS. The list is, of course, not yet complete. Please feel free to comment on it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zu3PdI38X3wnMZ53tgkoF-ccwGGkxmMavVGB-5oG... [docs.google.com]
Thank you, this is an excellent starting point! I propose the Caucus use it as a starting point, and suggest additions in "Suggesting" mode so that we can see what others are adding or changing. --Paul Hoffman
Thank you, this is an excellent starting point! I propose the Caucus use it as a starting point, and suggest additions in "Suggesting" mode so that we can see what others are adding or changing.
Before we get too far down this line, I do wonder if we should first discuss what the right format for collecting data should be. Do we want a document? Do we want a database? Do we want a latex bibliography file? Do we want a dynamically constructed web page from bib/json files [1]? I counted the number of root DNS related papers published by my associate at ISI and it came out to somewhere near 75 (I didn't analyze the accuracy of the labelling). Given that the proposed list (thank you!) is already fairly large, and we'll likely get an even larger list in the end -- what format do we think is the most scalable and easy to keep up to date? [1] as an example, my home page has bib/json generated references: https://www.isi.edu/~hardaker/bibvue/#Publications -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
On Nov 7, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> wrote:
Before we get too far down this line, I do wonder if we should first discuss what the right format for collecting data should be.
I disagree that we need to discuss this first. Given the excellent contribution from Baojun, and given that other people in the caucus (like you!) likely have additions, I think it is good to understand how big the total list would be. Converting the GDoc page into a starting document/database/website, and determining how to update that eventual place, can be done just as well later as now, but at least we'll know more about the size of what we are dealing with. --Paul Hoffman
I disagree that we need to discuss this first. Given the excellent contribution from Baojun, and given that other people in the caucus (like you!) likely have additions, I think it is good to understand how big the total list would be. Converting the GDoc page into a starting document/database/website, and determining how to update that eventual place, can be done just as well later as now, but at least we'll know more about the size of what we are dealing with.
Well, the reason I was actually asking is that if I put everything in a word document that is not in machine readable format I disagree with your conclusion that "converting the GDoc page into [something in the future] [...] can be done just as well now as later". Note: in no way was I trying to diminish the excellent results of Baojun; apologies if someone mistook my statements as doing so. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
My two yen, FWIW... I think a machine-readable submission format makes the most sense. From that, we can turn it into whatever we want. Similarly, I would suggest a searchable database, which would allow a researcher to say "please show me all research relevant to my topic".
On Nov 7, 2022, at 3:33 AM, Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> wrote:
I disagree that we need to discuss this first. Given the excellent contribution from Baojun, and given that other people in the caucus (like you!) likely have additions, I think it is good to understand how big the total list would be. Converting the GDoc page into a starting document/database/website, and determining how to update that eventual place, can be done just as well later as now, but at least we'll know more about the size of what we are dealing with.
Well, the reason I was actually asking is that if I put everything in a word document that is not in machine readable format I disagree with your conclusion that "converting the GDoc page into [something in the future] [...] can be done just as well now as later".
Note: in no way was I trying to diminish the excellent results of Baojun; apologies if someone mistook my statements as doing so.
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+1 Harish Chowdhary Research Scholar, NFSU On Wed, 9 Nov, 2022, 2:16 am Fred Baker, <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
My two yen, FWIW...
I think a machine-readable submission format makes the most sense. From that, we can turn it into whatever we want. Similarly, I would suggest a searchable database, which would allow a researcher to say "please show me all research relevant to my topic".
On Nov 7, 2022, at 3:33 AM, Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> wrote:
I disagree that we need to discuss this first. Given the excellent contribution from Baojun, and given that other people in the caucus (like you!) likely have additions, I think it is good to understand how big the total list would be. Converting the GDoc page into a starting document/database/website, and determining how to update that eventual place, can be done just as well later as now, but at least we'll know more about the size of what we are dealing with.
Well, the reason I was actually asking is that if I put everything in a word document that is not in machine readable format I disagree with your conclusion that "converting the GDoc page into [something in the future] [...] can be done just as well now as later".
Note: in no way was I trying to diminish the excellent results of Baojun; apologies if someone mistook my statements as doing so.
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Dear RSSAC Caucus, Thanks for the valuable comments from Pual, Wes and Fred. For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page. Baojun Liu. Tsinghua University. Harish Chowdhary <intern3tgovernance@gmail.com> 于2022年11月9日周三 12:47写道：
+1
Harish Chowdhary Research Scholar, NFSU
On Wed, 9 Nov, 2022, 2:16 am Fred Baker, <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
My two yen, FWIW...
I think a machine-readable submission format makes the most sense. From that, we can turn it into whatever we want. Similarly, I would suggest a searchable database, which would allow a researcher to say "please show me all research relevant to my topic".
On Nov 7, 2022, at 3:33 AM, Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> wrote:
I disagree that we need to discuss this first. Given the excellent contribution from Baojun, and given that other people in the caucus (like you!) likely have additions, I think it is good to understand how big the total list would be. Converting the GDoc page into a starting document/database/website, and determining how to update that eventual place, can be done just as well later as now, but at least we'll know more about the size of what we are dealing with.
Well, the reason I was actually asking is that if I put everything in a word document that is not in machine readable format I disagree with your conclusion that "converting the GDoc page into [something in the future] [...] can be done just as well now as later".
Note: in no way was I trying to diminish the excellent results of Baojun; apologies if someone mistook my statements as doing so.
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For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know. Baojun. Tsinghua University. Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
Hi Baojun and Caucus members, Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list. My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best. Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/> The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client. I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works. We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list. Thanks, Andrew
On 9 Nov 2022, at 12:01, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know.
Baojun. Tsinghua University.
Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu <mailto:hardaker@isi.edu>> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI _______________________________________________ rssac-caucus mailing list rssac-caucus@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rssac-caucus
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On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:51 AM, Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list.
My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best.
Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/>
The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client.
I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works.
We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list.
Using Zotero (or a similar tool) seems like a really good idea. If the Caucus agrees on this, some of us could volunteer to move the current data from Baojun into the tool, and add from there. As for the write access, as long as there is a history mechanism and roll-back capabilities, I would think that everyone could safely have write access. --Paul Hoffman
<https://www.zotero.org/groups/4859802/rssac_caucus/library <https://www.zotero.org/groups/4859802/rssac_caucus/library>> I made an account and added the first section of Baojun’s Google doc. On my first try I used a 40 character password which it permitted and then it basically broke the account. I then created another account with only a 16 character long password and it worked. So beware of that limitation. I created an online group called RSSAC_Caucus and a collection in it called rss_research. I am the Owner of this group and I can appoint Admins who can then gain write access to the collections. Read permissions are to set to Public. I used the Firefox Zotero plugin to add the publications. It scrapes the metadata from the hosting website (ACM/IEEE, etc) and then create the entry to my local client, then my client syncs with the cloud service. One limitation is there is no way to store the actual PDF online, likely for copyright reasons. But if you download the client you can add the PDF in your client and then have full text search through the client. I’m curious what people think about this approach. Please play around with it and share your opinion. Thanks, Andrew
On 17 Nov 2022, at 08:43, Brett Carr <brett@pwei.uk> wrote:
I haven’t used this before but a cursory glance seems to indicate it looks good. If there is some budget for the required storage then it would seem sensible to at least put a small amount of documents into it and let everyone have some time with it as a POC.
Brett
On 16 Nov 2022, at 17:51, Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Baojun and Caucus members,
Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list.
My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best.
Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/ [zotero.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.zotero.org/__;!!PtGJab4!4h4LgbCN4Md3dyxL9cbw1bw_uDZSijXJIrZ1mqGgZ_UWB1-N36AIYzWNJHvu26aeCHxPbm-L4CjKyPhw9JOS0PSEDg$>>
The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client.
I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works.
We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list.
Thanks, Andrew
On 9 Nov 2022, at 12:01, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know.
Baojun. Tsinghua University.
Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu <mailto:hardaker@isi.edu>> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI _______________________________________________ rssac-caucus mailing list rssac-caucus@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rssac-caucus
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Hi Andrew and others, I tested the *Zotero* tool and in my opinion it is an excellent platform for managing research paper info, especially I liked the way it manages the *metadata* and provides the *search* capability. I have downloaded the personal assistant on my mac also and am exploring more. Thanks again Andrew. [image: image.png] Kind Regards Hafiz Farooq --- This message has been scanned via Symantec MessageLabs & SpamDefense Engine On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 1:18 PM Andrew McConachie < andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
<https://www.zotero.org/groups/4859802/rssac_caucus/library>
I made an account and added the first section of Baojun’s Google doc.
On my first try I used a 40 character password which it permitted and then it basically broke the account. I then created another account with only a 16 character long password and it worked. So beware of that limitation.
I created an online group called RSSAC_Caucus and a collection in it called rss_research. I am the Owner of this group and I can appoint Admins who can then gain write access to the collections. Read permissions are to set to Public.
I used the Firefox Zotero plugin to add the publications. It scrapes the metadata from the hosting website (ACM/IEEE, etc) and then create the entry to my local client, then my client syncs with the cloud service.
One limitation is there is no way to store the actual PDF online, likely for copyright reasons. But if you download the client you can add the PDF in your client and then have full text search through the client.
I’m curious what people think about this approach. Please play around with it and share your opinion.
Thanks, Andrew
On 17 Nov 2022, at 08:43, Brett Carr <brett@pwei.uk> wrote:
I haven’t used this before but a cursory glance seems to indicate it looks good. If there is some budget for the required storage then it would seem sensible to at least put a small amount of documents into it and let everyone have some time with it as a POC.
Brett
On 16 Nov 2022, at 17:51, Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Baojun and Caucus members,
Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list.
My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best.
Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/ [zotero.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.zotero.org/__;!!PtGJab4!4h4LgbCN4Md3...>
The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client.
I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works.
We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list.
Thanks, Andrew
On 9 Nov 2022, at 12:01, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know.
Baojun. Tsinghua University.
Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
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Hi, Reference the todays' caucus meeting at ietf. I think we can live with the limitation of no PDF in cloud group-repository, and start using zotero actively. I don't believe any tool will provide such a feature due to copyright issues. - I think we should now start adding more documents to the repository, including RSSAC related research papers and RFC documents? - I would prefer organize research documents into different sub collections: >> root-servers >> general-dns >> dnssec >> operational-monitoring >> new-features >> denial-of-service >> security-threats @Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org>: can you please add Baojun to the list of admins. Thanks Regards Hafiz Farooq --- This message has been scanned via Symantec MessageLabs & SpamDefense Engine On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 1:18 PM Andrew McConachie < andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
<https://www.zotero.org/groups/4859802/rssac_caucus/library>
I made an account and added the first section of Baojun’s Google doc.
On my first try I used a 40 character password which it permitted and then it basically broke the account. I then created another account with only a 16 character long password and it worked. So beware of that limitation.
I created an online group called RSSAC_Caucus and a collection in it called rss_research. I am the Owner of this group and I can appoint Admins who can then gain write access to the collections. Read permissions are to set to Public.
I used the Firefox Zotero plugin to add the publications. It scrapes the metadata from the hosting website (ACM/IEEE, etc) and then create the entry to my local client, then my client syncs with the cloud service.
One limitation is there is no way to store the actual PDF online, likely for copyright reasons. But if you download the client you can add the PDF in your client and then have full text search through the client.
I’m curious what people think about this approach. Please play around with it and share your opinion.
Thanks, Andrew
On 17 Nov 2022, at 08:43, Brett Carr <brett@pwei.uk> wrote:
I haven’t used this before but a cursory glance seems to indicate it looks good. If there is some budget for the required storage then it would seem sensible to at least put a small amount of documents into it and let everyone have some time with it as a POC.
Brett
On 16 Nov 2022, at 17:51, Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Baojun and Caucus members,
Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list.
My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best.
Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/ [zotero.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.zotero.org/__;!!PtGJab4!4h4LgbCN4Md3...>
The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client.
I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works.
We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list.
Thanks, Andrew
On 9 Nov 2022, at 12:01, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know.
Baojun. Tsinghua University.
Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
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+1 Thanks, Harish Chowdhary On Mon, 27 Mar, 2023, 04:35 Hafiz Farooq, <hmfarouq@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Reference the todays' caucus meeting at ietf.
I think we can live with the limitation of no PDF in cloud group-repository, and start using zotero actively. I don't believe any tool will provide such a feature due to copyright issues.
- I think we should now start adding more documents to the repository, including RSSAC related research papers and RFC documents?
- I would prefer organize research documents into different sub collections: >> root-servers >> general-dns >> dnssec >> operational-monitoring >> new-features >> denial-of-service >> security-threats
@Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org>: can you please add Baojun to the list of admins. Thanks
Regards Hafiz Farooq
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 1:18 PM Andrew McConachie < andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
<https://www.zotero.org/groups/4859802/rssac_caucus/library>
I made an account and added the first section of Baojun’s Google doc.
On my first try I used a 40 character password which it permitted and then it basically broke the account. I then created another account with only a 16 character long password and it worked. So beware of that limitation.
I created an online group called RSSAC_Caucus and a collection in it called rss_research. I am the Owner of this group and I can appoint Admins who can then gain write access to the collections. Read permissions are to set to Public.
I used the Firefox Zotero plugin to add the publications. It scrapes the metadata from the hosting website (ACM/IEEE, etc) and then create the entry to my local client, then my client syncs with the cloud service.
One limitation is there is no way to store the actual PDF online, likely for copyright reasons. But if you download the client you can add the PDF in your client and then have full text search through the client.
I’m curious what people think about this approach. Please play around with it and share your opinion.
Thanks, Andrew
On 17 Nov 2022, at 08:43, Brett Carr <brett@pwei.uk> wrote:
I haven’t used this before but a cursory glance seems to indicate it looks good. If there is some budget for the required storage then it would seem sensible to at least put a small amount of documents into it and let everyone have some time with it as a POC.
Brett
On 16 Nov 2022, at 17:51, Andrew McConachie <andrew.mcconachie@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Baojun and Caucus members,
Thanks very much for creating this list. I’m happy to see so much interest in this topic on the list.
My main concern continues to be maintenance of the list long term. I’ve read the suggestions on the list and I would like to throw one more into the mix. I believe using a dedicated application for managing large collections of academic publications would be best.
Are people familiar with Zotero? <https://www.zotero.org/ [zotero.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.zotero.org/__;!!PtGJab4!4h4LgbCN4Md3...>
The client is open source and the non-profit behind it makes money selling cloud storage for users of the client.
I’ve used it for creating bibliographies and for organizing large numbers of academic articles in the past. What I have not used it for is for sharing those articles with others. I’ve only used the open source client without purchasing cloud storage. I’ll do some more investigation into how the cloud offering works.
We still need to work out a number of the details around this, such as who has write access to the list of publications, how read access should be managed, and what criteria to use for inclusion. I think we’re still in the early discuss phase, and it’s good to see so much discussion on the list.
Thanks, Andrew
On 9 Nov 2022, at 12:01, Baojun Liu <bjliu0@gmail.com> wrote:
It is my great pleasure to contribute to the RSSAC community. And, if others have other suggestions, please let me know.
Baojun. Tsinghua University.
Wes Hardaker <hardaker@isi.edu> 于2022年11月9日周三 16:58写道：
For now, to keep the project moving forward, I suggest to take following actions to improve the proposed document. First, during the recent research paper collection process (maybe 2 weeks), I encourage the Caucus members to write down as many relevant research papers as possible. And I will check the added papers and categories manually. In addition, I will also provide a machine-readable format (most likely a latex bibliography file) for each research paper in the document. And in the next step, depending on the number of research papers we collect, we can discuss how to convert it, a database or a dynamic web page.
I think your approach sounds good; thank you Baojun for your work. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
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On Mar 27, 2023, at 8:04 AM, Hafiz Farooq <hmfarouq@gmail.com> wrote:
Reference the todays' caucus meeting at ietf.
Thanks for the presentation. I'm interested in participating to help include the DNS standards into the research paper list.
I think we can live with the limitation of no PDF in cloud group-repository, and start using zotero actively. I don't believe any tool will provide such a feature due to copyright issues.
I didn't catch this during the presentation. What are the limitations with PDFs for Zotero? --Paul Hoffman
Welcome, @Paul, can you please share your zotero account name, so that Andrew can grant you permission on RSSAC_Caucus library to add research papers. *PDF Limitation* Zotero *doesn't* allow adding file attachments to research documents kept in *group* libraries (to avoid sharing of copyright attachments to all group members). See below grayed out option. [image: image.png] However, Zotero *does* allow adding file attachments to research documents kept in *local* libraries saved on your computer (accessible to you only). See below file attachment option. [image: image.png] Note: Group libraries are created or joined using the zotero website account. I hope it's clear now. Kind regards Hafiz --- This message has been scanned via Symantec MessageLabs & SpamDefense Engine On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 3:39 AM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:
On Mar 27, 2023, at 8:04 AM, Hafiz Farooq <hmfarouq@gmail.com> wrote:
Reference the todays' caucus meeting at ietf.
Thanks for the presentation. I'm interested in participating to help include the DNS standards into the research paper list.
I think we can live with the limitation of no PDF in cloud group-repository, and start using zotero actively. I don't believe any tool will provide such a feature due to copyright issues.
I didn't catch this during the presentation. What are the limitations with PDFs for Zotero?
--Paul Hoffman
participants (8)
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Andrew McConachie -
Baojun Liu -
Brett Carr -
Fred Baker -
Hafiz Farooq -
Harish Chowdhary -
Paul Hoffman -
Wes Hardaker