Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc.
James, I think this issue of alternates/support staff is a very interesting one, and I appreciate your raising it. You are the only one of us who has now been on two review teams… a special standing. I recommend we consider it as part of our January meeting discussion. Do others agree? Best, Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703 889-5756 Mobile: +1 703 371-6846 Visit us online! Check out events & blogs at .ORG Buzz! <http://www.pir.org/orgbuzz> Find us on Facebook | dotorg <http://www.facebook.com/pages/dotorg/203294399456?v=wall> See the .ORG Buzz! Photo Gallery on Flickr <http://flickr.com/orgbuzz> See our video library on YouTube <http://youtube.com/orgbuzz> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:41 PM To: Smith,Bill Cc: RT4 WHOIS Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc. Responses in-line: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc. From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> Date: Thu, November 04, 2010 10:58 am To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: RT4 WHOIS <rt4-whois@icann.org> Considering such a policy raises a number of questions: * Can anyone serve as "support staff" or must the staff member be from the same "organization", JMB: This wasn't formalized, but in all cases the support staff was from the same organization. * Depending on how we answer the above, what is the policy for "individuals"? JMB: ? * Is travel for support staff funded? JMB: No. * Can support staff participate in discussions, email or otherwise? JMB: Yes, but with the qualification that they are either speaking on behalf of the full member, or speaking to administrative issues. * Can support staff vote, in the absence of a member? JMB: THere were only a few formal votes on the ATRT, and in all cases the support staff did not have a vote. * Are supported staff counted when determining quorum (this assumes we vote)? JMB: No. And I'm sure there are more. On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:24 AM, James M. Bladel wrote: Good morning: On the ATRT, each member was allowed to name a person to function as their support staff or adjunct to the Review Team. I fulfilled this role for Warren Adelman. Support personnel were non-voting members, but included in all teleconferences and face-to-face meetings, and on the mailing list. Is this something that RT4 members plan to do as well? By way of disclosure, I have no plans to include any support staff. Thanks-- J. <ATT00001..txt>
I believe this, and many other similar issues would be resolved by establishing our Terms of Reference and/or adopting a set of Policies and Procedures. Without them, we are flying in poor weather without instruments. I am requesting that we discuss the items we agreed to during our last teleconference; Chair/Vice-Chair responsibilities, method of selecting a chair, scope, and process. On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote: James, I think this issue of alternates/support staff is a very interesting one, and I appreciate your raising it. You are the only one of us who has now been on two review teams… a special standing. I recommend we consider it as part of our January meeting discussion. Do others agree? Best, Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703 889-5756 Mobile: +1 703 371-6846 Visit us online! Check out events & blogs at .ORG Buzz!<http://www.pir.org/orgbuzz> Find us on Facebook | dotorg<http://www.facebook.com/pages/dotorg/203294399456?v=wall> See the .ORG Buzz! Photo Gallery on Flickr<http://flickr.com/orgbuzz> See our video library on YouTube<http://youtube.com/orgbuzz> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:41 PM To: Smith,Bill Cc: RT4 WHOIS Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc. Responses in-line: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc. From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> Date: Thu, November 04, 2010 10:58 am To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> Cc: RT4 WHOIS <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Considering such a policy raises a number of questions: * Can anyone serve as "support staff" or must the staff member be from the same "organization", JMB: This wasn't formalized, but in all cases the support staff was from the same organization. * Depending on how we answer the above, what is the policy for "individuals"? JMB: ? * Is travel for support staff funded? JMB: No. * Can support staff participate in discussions, email or otherwise? JMB: Yes, but with the qualification that they are either speaking on behalf of the full member, or speaking to administrative issues. * Can support staff vote, in the absence of a member? JMB: THere were only a few formal votes on the ATRT, and in all cases the support staff did not have a vote. * Are supported staff counted when determining quorum (this assumes we vote)? JMB: No. And I'm sure there are more. On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:24 AM, James M. Bladel wrote: Good morning: On the ATRT, each member was allowed to name a person to function as their support staff or adjunct to the Review Team. I fulfilled this role for Warren Adelman. Support personnel were non-voting members, but included in all teleconferences and face-to-face meetings, and on the mailing list. Is this something that RT4 members plan to do as well? By way of disclosure, I have no plans to include any support staff. Thanks-- J. <ATT00001..txt>
I do not support a policy that institutionalizes support staff or alternates in Review Teams. Our team is already large at 15 people. Other teams are similarly sized. Doubling the size of each of these teams adds cost, logistical problems, and potentially delays our work. I think we would be far better served by doing what is expected of us by the community; perform the review as scoped in the AoC with the people that were vetted by the community using the process published. We are independent, but not entirely free to do as we choose, unless we choose to ignore accountability. (In my one-time alternates in extenuating circumstances are another matter and they should be considered on a case by case basis.) On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:41 AM, James M. Bladel wrote: Responses in-line: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Support staff, adjuncts, etc. From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> Date: Thu, November 04, 2010 10:58 am To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> Cc: RT4 WHOIS <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Considering such a policy raises a number of questions: * Can anyone serve as "support staff" or must the staff member be from the same "organization", JMB: This wasn't formalized, but in all cases the support staff was from the same organization. * Depending on how we answer the above, what is the policy for "individuals"? JMB: ? * Is travel for support staff funded? JMB: No. * Can support staff participate in discussions, email or otherwise? JMB: Yes, but with the qualification that they are either speaking on behalf of the full member, or speaking to administrative issues. * Can support staff vote, in the absence of a member? JMB: THere were only a few formal votes on the ATRT, and in all cases the support staff did not have a vote. * Are supported staff counted when determining quorum (this assumes we vote)? JMB: No. And I'm sure there are more. On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:24 AM, James M. Bladel wrote: Good morning: On the ATRT, each member was allowed to name a person to function as their support staff or adjunct to the Review Team. I fulfilled this role for Warren Adelman. Support personnel were non-voting members, but included in all teleconferences and face-to-face meetings, and on the mailing list. Is this something that RT4 members plan to do as well? By way of disclosure, I have no plans to include any support staff. Thanks-- J. <ATT00001..txt>
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