Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk
To work on info request for some SSAC members Denise Michel Sent via phone
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. Geoff
On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
To work on info request for some SSAC members
Denise Michel Sent via phone _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review
Hi Geoff et all, Without the intention to drag this thread onwards, I want to put this on the record that I initiated the last minute meeting with SSAC on Wednesday. As stated by others, it was not intended to exclude (or include) anyone but merely my over eager attempt to find a path forward. It was initiated as a casual “can we chat” between old colleagues. I apologize if this has added to ill perceptions. … Norm
On Nov 2, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
To work on info request for some SSAC members
Denise Michel Sent via phone _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review
_______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review
Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night. Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting. The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net> wrote: I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. Geoff > On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote: > > To work on info request for some SSAC members > > Denise Michel > Sent via phone > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li...
Thank you for the invitation Denise. Unfortunately I am in an SSAC meeting with the Board and unable to step out at this juncture.
On 2 Nov 2017, at 11:24 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night.
Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting.
The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board.
Best, Denise
Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com
On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote: > > To work on info request for some SSAC members > > Denise Michel > Sent via phone > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li...
Thank you Denis for this updates. It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team? There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow. I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac Hoping that both point to the same meeting. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night.
Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting.
The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board.
Best,
Denise
Denise Michel
Domain Name System Strategy & Management
Facebook, Inc.
denisemichel@fb.com
On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
>
> To work on info request for some SSAC members
>
> Denise Michel
> Sent via phone
> _______________________________________________
> Ssr2-review mailing list
> Ssr2-review@icann.org
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Hi, Matogoro. Please see my previous emails on the list. I know nothing new to update the entire team on. Please email Jennifer and Yvette regarding remote participation. I asked them to make sure you were connected and we will ask again when we get to the room. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> From: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:01 PM To: Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> Cc: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Thank you Denis for this updates. It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team? There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow. I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_board1&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=5K27ZFTcjNDnpuxb9RBFAGbUkVHfw4iXmZYFyL3ypQw&e=> 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_abu60-2Dhallac&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ZnvtykEaG6yN57MWxPFnH22Emh_WXTxTmaFuK2bPlGU&e=> Hoping that both point to the same meeting. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night. Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting. The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net<mailto:gih@apnic.net>> wrote: I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. Geoff > On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: > > To work on info request for some SSAC members > > Denise Michel > Sent via phone > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li... _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_ssr2-2Dreview&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ShfD6s_zJM6lLxhAi5SiXgoXjrOYmRakKzgsCbnwT6U&e=> -- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.udom.ac.tz&d=DwMFaQ&...>)
Hello all, yes there has been a great deal of last minute change to these meetings and this is my understanding, in local GST Abu Dhabi time<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20171102&p1=2>: 13:00-13:50 – Closed meeting with SSR2-RT and the Board: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/board1 14:00-15:00 – Public meeting with SSr2-RT, the Board and the Community Leadership: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac These Adobe Connect rooms are different, they do not point to the same meeting. I hope this helps, Wendy Profit ICANN – Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 From: <ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:30 PM To: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> Cc: SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Hi, Matogoro. Please see my previous emails on the list. I know nothing new to update the entire team on. Please email Jennifer and Yvette regarding remote participation. I asked them to make sure you were connected and we will ask again when we get to the room. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> From: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:01 PM To: Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> Cc: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Thank you Denis for this updates. It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team? There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow. I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_board1&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=5K27ZFTcjNDnpuxb9RBFAGbUkVHfw4iXmZYFyL3ypQw&e=> 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_abu60-2Dhallac&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ZnvtykEaG6yN57MWxPFnH22Emh_WXTxTmaFuK2bPlGU&e=> Hoping that both point to the same meeting. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night. Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting. The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net<mailto:gih@apnic.net>> wrote: I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. Geoff > On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: > > To work on info request for some SSAC members > > Denise Michel > Sent via phone > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li... _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_ssr2-2Dreview&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ShfD6s_zJM6lLxhAi5SiXgoXjrOYmRakKzgsCbnwT6U&e=> -- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.udom.ac.tz&d=DwMFaQ&...>)
Thank you very much for this clarification. I will be using the first link during Board meeting with SSR2 and the second link afterward. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Board Calendaring < Board-Calendaring@icann.org> wrote:
Hello all, yes there has been a great deal of last minute change to these meetings and this is my understanding, in local GST Abu Dhabi time <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20171102&p1=2> :
13:00-13:50 – Closed meeting with SSR2-RT and the Board: connect remotely with *https://participate.icann.org/board1 <https://participate.icann.org/board1> *
14:00-15:00 – Public meeting with SSr2-RT, the Board and the Community Leadership: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/ abu60-hallac
These Adobe Connect rooms *are different*, they do not point to the same meeting.
I hope this helps,
Wendy Profit
ICANN – Manager, Board Operations
12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 <https://maps.google.com/?q=12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300%0D+Los+Angeles,...>
Los Angeles, CA 90094 <https://maps.google.com/?q=12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300%0D+Los+Angeles,...>
*From: *<ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel < denisemichel@fb.com> *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:30 PM *To: *Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> *Cc: *SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
*Subject: *Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk
Hi, Matogoro. Please see my previous emails on the list. I know nothing new to update the entire team on.
Please email Jennifer and Yvette regarding remote participation. I asked them to make sure you were connected and we will ask again when we get to the room.
Best,
Denise
Denise Michel
Domain Name System Strategy & Management
Facebook, Inc.
*denisemichel@fb.com <denisemichel@fb.com>*
*From: *Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:01 PM *To: *Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> *Cc: *Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk
Thank you Denis for this updates.
It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team?
There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow.
I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_b...> 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_a...>
Hoping that both point to the same meeting.
Regards,
Matogoro
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night.
Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting.
The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board.
Best,
Denise
Denise Michel
Domain Name System Strategy & Management
Facebook, Inc.
denisemichel@fb.com
On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
>
> To work on info request for some SSAC members
>
> Denise Michel
> Sent via phone
> _______________________________________________
> Ssr2-review mailing list
> Ssr2-review@icann.org
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm. icann.org_mailman_listinfo_ssr2-2Dreview&d=DwIFaQ&c= 5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m= g2Wn0GJs8mRAJ7hOrRv3jV-Hc-J9vNaqwQeI7tCGe5A&s= ZoACUF9RU80ESo7fFixFmTtkI8jyY-UqyVLpnov29-0&e=
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-- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz)
Dear Co-chairs, The remote participants should have their voice in this meeting. No one control the chat room nor take care if there is hand raised in the adobe room. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Board Calendaring < Board-Calendaring@icann.org> wrote:
Hello all, yes there has been a great deal of last minute change to these meetings and this is my understanding, in local GST Abu Dhabi time <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20171102&p1=2> :
13:00-13:50 – Closed meeting with SSR2-RT and the Board: connect remotely with *https://participate.icann.org/board1 <https://participate.icann.org/board1> *
14:00-15:00 – Public meeting with SSr2-RT, the Board and the Community Leadership: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/ abu60-hallac
These Adobe Connect rooms *are different*, they do not point to the same meeting.
I hope this helps,
Wendy Profit
ICANN – Manager, Board Operations
12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 <https://maps.google.com/?q=12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300%0D+Los+Angeles,...>
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*From: *<ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel < denisemichel@fb.com> *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:30 PM *To: *Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> *Cc: *SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
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Hi, Matogoro. Please see my previous emails on the list. I know nothing new to update the entire team on.
Please email Jennifer and Yvette regarding remote participation. I asked them to make sure you were connected and we will ask again when we get to the room.
Best,
Denise
Denise Michel
Domain Name System Strategy & Management
Facebook, Inc.
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*From: *Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:01 PM *To: *Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> *Cc: *Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk
Thank you Denis for this updates.
It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team?
There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow.
I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_b...> 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_a...>
Hoping that both point to the same meeting.
Regards,
Matogoro
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night.
Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting.
The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board.
Best,
Denise
Denise Michel
Domain Name System Strategy & Management
Facebook, Inc.
denisemichel@fb.com
On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
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Please see Matogoro’s email below. Unfortunately the SSR2 co-chairs had no visibility into the adobe room and did not know Matogoro was trying to speak. Would you please provide Matogoro with an email so he can provide remarks directly to the Board. Thanks, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> From: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 2:01 PM To: Board Calendaring <Board-Calendaring@icann.org> Cc: Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Dear Co-chairs, The remote participants should have their voice in this meeting. No one control the chat room nor take care if there is hand raised in the adobe room. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Board Calendaring <Board-Calendaring@icann.org<mailto:Board-Calendaring@icann.org>> wrote: Hello all, yes there has been a great deal of last minute change to these meetings and this is my understanding, in local GST Abu Dhabi time<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.timeanddate.com_wor...>: 13:00-13:50 – Closed meeting with SSR2-RT and the Board: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/board1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_board1&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=MvmGIQyZzdXXtS9UtP7Hr6wVRAwA4Q2OAhFnNFmaoBI&s=cLJ0hljsQCRyYOeowVYcYlMT7zAVy58_C_T4slRmkZw&e=> 14:00-15:00 – Public meeting with SSr2-RT, the Board and the Community Leadership: connect remotely with https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_abu60-2Dhallac&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=MvmGIQyZzdXXtS9UtP7Hr6wVRAwA4Q2OAhFnNFmaoBI&s=Vu-4zyK4gkky2x1ax3XB2dz4y4ywrRp9bFhUlWksh0k&e=> These Adobe Connect rooms are different, they do not point to the same meeting. I hope this helps, Wendy Profit ICANN – Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3D...> Los Angeles, CA 90094<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3D...> From: <ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:30 PM To: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com<mailto:jaberamatogoro@gmail.com>> Cc: SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:ssr2-review@icann.org>>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com<mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com>>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Hi, Matogoro. Please see my previous emails on the list. I know nothing new to update the entire team on. Please email Jennifer and Yvette regarding remote participation. I asked them to make sure you were connected and we will ask again when we get to the room. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> From: Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com<mailto:jaberamatogoro@gmail.com>> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:01 PM To: Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> Cc: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net<mailto:gih@apnic.net>>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>>, Rod Rasmussen <rod@rodrasmussen.com<mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com>>, SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:ssr2-review@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Meet-up now a ICANN registration desk Thank you Denis for this updates. It look like we are loosing trust among team members. It sound like if you meet two or three members discussing on logistical issues you need to update the entire team? There are have been a lot of meeting notification related to Board meeting which is confusing which one to follow. I have two remote participation: 1. https://participate.icann.org/board1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_board1&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=5K27ZFTcjNDnpuxb9RBFAGbUkVHfw4iXmZYFyL3ypQw&e=> 2. https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallac<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_abu60-2Dhallac&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ZnvtykEaG6yN57MWxPFnH22Emh_WXTxTmaFuK2bPlGU&e=> Hoping that both point to the same meeting. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: Dear Geoff: This is not an SSR2 meeting. A few of us are hanging out near the Registration Desk. We’re discussing tagging action items and what we had for dinner last night. Come join us. And, again, understand that this is not an SSR2 meeting. The next SSR2 meeting is at 1:00 with the Board – they called it without a lot of notice and it’s closed. We’ve asked twice that they make sure remote Team members can join. If you have an issue with due notice about this meeting, please take it up with the Board. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com> On 11/2/17, 10:42 AM, "Geoff Huston" <gih@apnic.net<mailto:gih@apnic.net>> wrote: I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. Geoff > On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com<mailto:denisemichel@fb.com>> wrote: > > To work on info request for some SSAC members > > Denise Michel > Sent via phone > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li... _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org<mailto:Ssr2-review@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_ssr2-2Dreview&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=lRc6eoYWHaRmfWbaAfqhLIbzDOU3EMeTlhROVDrg7gI&s=ShfD6s_zJM6lLxhAi5SiXgoXjrOYmRakKzgsCbnwT6U&e=> -- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.udom.ac.tz&d=DwMFaQ&...>) -- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.udom.ac.tz&d=DwMFaQ&...>)
On 2 Nov 2017, at 14:29, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Would you please provide Matogoro with an email so he can provide remarks directly to the Board.
Dear Matogoro, Sorry to hear that you did not get a chance to participate properly. Please kindly send any comments you might have for the board to the SSR2 mailing list and I will make sure they are relayed to the ICANN Board. If there is any feedback from the ICANN Board, I will post them back to the list as well. All the best, Kaveh.
Dear Kaveh, Thank you very much for caring. I managed to participate remotely however noted that low attention was given to remote users in the Adobe Connect. Both two meetings went well and I was happy on how the Board and participants were positive on our work. I am quite sure that the "pause" will give us a better start. Regards, Matogoro On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Kaveh Ranjbar <kaveh.ranjbar@board.icann.org
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On 2 Nov 2017, at 14:29, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Would you please provide Matogoro with an email so he can provide remarks directly to the Board.
Dear Matogoro,
Sorry to hear that you did not get a chance to participate properly.
Please kindly send any comments you might have for the board to the SSR2 mailing list and I will make sure they are relayed to the ICANN Board. If there is any feedback from the ICANN Board, I will post them back to the list as well.
All the best, Kaveh.
-- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz)
Dear SSR2 Review Team: I would like to echo what Geoff said and put my complaints on the record about being excluded from both the meeting with SSAC yesterday and this ad-hoc meeting with basically zero prior notice time. I found out about SSAC meeting much later after the meeting happened, by word of mouth. This morning I had to be in a meeting and make a short presentation and the notice (which I saw only 15 minutes after it was posted, since it was sent over e-mail) did not leave any room for me to make arrangements and find a replacement presenter. I also have to state that I do not agree with urgency as a reason for this style of communication and leadership. I expect SSR2 RT leadership to promote a calm approach, to stand by important principals of openness, transparency and inclusiveness and in-case additional time is needed for proper call of a team meeting, liaise with involved parties (in this case SO/AC Leadership and Board) to explain time constraints and get additional time to organise, instead of setting these type of ad-hoc meetings and excluding members, including the ones who have to join remotely. Needless to say, any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting and should follow inclusiveness rules, expected for any meeting of the review team. All the best, Kaveh.
On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:41, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team.
As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them.
Geoff
On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
To work on info request for some SSAC members
Denise Michel Sent via phone _______________________________________________ Ssr2-review mailing list Ssr2-review@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ssr2-review
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Kaveh: Please see the responses and clarifications posted to this list. You are incorrect that “any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting.” Just as any SSAC members or any Board members talking about their respective work is not considered an SSAC or Board meeting. Best, Denise Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com On 11/2/17, 11:33 AM, "Kaveh Ranjbar" <kaveh.ranjbar@board.icann.org> wrote: Dear SSR2 Review Team: I would like to echo what Geoff said and put my complaints on the record about being excluded from both the meeting with SSAC yesterday and this ad-hoc meeting with basically zero prior notice time. I found out about SSAC meeting much later after the meeting happened, by word of mouth. This morning I had to be in a meeting and make a short presentation and the notice (which I saw only 15 minutes after it was posted, since it was sent over e-mail) did not leave any room for me to make arrangements and find a replacement presenter. I also have to state that I do not agree with urgency as a reason for this style of communication and leadership. I expect SSR2 RT leadership to promote a calm approach, to stand by important principals of openness, transparency and inclusiveness and in-case additional time is needed for proper call of a team meeting, liaise with involved parties (in this case SO/AC Leadership and Board) to explain time constraints and get additional time to organise, instead of setting these type of ad-hoc meetings and excluding members, including the ones who have to join remotely. Needless to say, any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting and should follow inclusiveness rules, expected for any meeting of the review team. All the best, Kaveh. > On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:41, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: > > I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. > > As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. > > Geoff > > >> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote: >> >> To work on info request for some SSAC members >> >> Denise Michel >> Sent via phone >> _______________________________________________ >> Ssr2-review mailing list >> Ssr2-review@icann.org >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li... > > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li...
Denise, I have already posted today some of my expectations that require our leadership to conduct themselves to rigorous level of accountability and responsibility in their behaviour to all team members, our support staff and the larger community. It is evident that you disagree with Kaveh’s view, but I’m afraid I personally view it as inappropriate to voice your disagreement by accusing Kaveh of being “incorrect” and I wish to note my view here. There are many ways to phrase a personal disagreement in ways that offer Kaveh due respect and politeness. I also take the option of being “incorrect”, as you put it, on this matter, but I agree with Kaveh that any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting and should follow inclusiveness rules, expected for any meeting of the review team. The grounds for my incorrectness is that there is a tendency to confuse outcomes from team meetings and conversations from informal meetings and this is an element of confusion that I would expect the chairs to help us avoid rather that appear to promote.. Geoff
On 2 Nov 2017, at 11:49 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote:
Kaveh: Please see the responses and clarifications posted to this list.
You are incorrect that “any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting.” Just as any SSAC members or any Board members talking about their respective work is not considered an SSAC or Board meeting.
Best, Denise
Denise Michel Domain Name System Strategy & Management Facebook, Inc. denisemichel@fb.com
On 11/2/17, 11:33 AM, "Kaveh Ranjbar" <kaveh.ranjbar@board.icann.org> wrote:
Dear SSR2 Review Team:
I would like to echo what Geoff said and put my complaints on the record about being excluded from both the meeting with SSAC yesterday and this ad-hoc meeting with basically zero prior notice time.
I found out about SSAC meeting much later after the meeting happened, by word of mouth. This morning I had to be in a meeting and make a short presentation and the notice (which I saw only 15 minutes after it was posted, since it was sent over e-mail) did not leave any room for me to make arrangements and find a replacement presenter.
I also have to state that I do not agree with urgency as a reason for this style of communication and leadership. I expect SSR2 RT leadership to promote a calm approach, to stand by important principals of openness, transparency and inclusiveness and in-case additional time is needed for proper call of a team meeting, liaise with involved parties (in this case SO/AC Leadership and Board) to explain time constraints and get additional time to organise, instead of setting these type of ad-hoc meetings and excluding members, including the ones who have to join remotely.
Needless to say, any gathering of SSR2 team members, where the topic of discussion is SSR2 matters should be considered as a SSR2 meeting and should follow inclusiveness rules, expected for any meeting of the review team.
All the best, Kaveh.
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:41, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: > > I am sorry to sound like a broken record Denise, but calling a SSR2 meeting with ZERO notice is yet another instance of my issues with this leadership style. I would like to request some level of due notice and efforts for inclusion of all team members on the part of leadership, as without it I believe that you cannot subsequently represent any outcome as being representative in any form or fashion of the SSR2 team. > > As I have already noted here, my conversations with the SSAC chairs last night indicated that there was no expectation of any subsequent communication from SSR2 so I am confused that there are different reports of outcomes from presumably the same meeting. Perhaps this is illustrative of the perils of undertaking such informal “get togethers” as becoming a source of further dysfunctionality rather than resolving them. > > Geoff > > >> On 2 Nov 2017, at 10:16 am, Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com> wrote: >> >> To work on info request for some SSAC members >> >> Denise Michel >> Sent via phone >> _______________________________________________ >> Ssr2-review mailing list >> Ssr2-review@icann.org >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li... > > _______________________________________________ > Ssr2-review mailing list > Ssr2-review@icann.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li...
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