Here’s the transcript from yesterday’s call. Sorry for the delay. Don
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From: Francisco Arias <francisco.arias@icann.org> To: Don Hollander <don@i2.org.nz> Cc: Cyrus Namazi <cyrus.namazi@icann.org> Subject: FW: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Universal Acceptance Date: 19 February 2015 6:04:37 am NZDT
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On 2/18/15, 9:03 AM, "Adobe Connect Notifications" <admin@adobeconnect.com> wrote:
Don Hollander: (2/18/2015 07:59) Good morning everyone. Just a reminder to MUTE unless you're speaking. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:01) Hello Everyone Ram Mohan: (08:01) @maxim ola Dusan Stojicevic: (08:02) Hello Everyone Don Hollander: (08:08) https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss Brent London: (08:10) yes Don Hollander: (08:10) Draft Charter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp 4rMhc/edit?usp=sharing Edmon: (08:11) if possible, don please also share the document on adobeconnect Edmon: (08:11) there may be those who are unable to connect with the googledoc Mark McFadden: (08:11) Just a note: the existing UA_Discuss mailing list archives are not public. The current archive is only available to the list members. Ram Mohan: (08:11) @Mark, thanks for pointing that out - that was not the intent. This will be an ACTION for ICANN staff to convert to public Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:19) +1 Edmon Edmon: (08:21) in addition to what tony and ram said, since we are not intended to be a "strict" group, i think the document should be a living document, that it could change over time, (not to say that it wil keep changing, but just that it should not make it overly hard to make changes to it as things changes) Ram Mohan: (08:21) +1 Edmon Ram Mohan: (08:22) the SG could be the 3 chairs + the Project Group chairs... Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:23) Let's call them "issues" rather than "problems." :-) Ram Mohan: (08:24) @jeff, tomatoes, tomatos? Edmon: (08:24) we can even call them work "items" to be even more "positive" :-) Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:24) @ram, not when word gets out to the public. Rishi - CentralNic: (08:24) +1 Ram Mohan Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:24) +1 jeff - "TLD haters" are latching on to a soundbite from the SG session claiming that new TLDs break things Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:25) there should be some sensitivity to this in our efforts Pinky Brand: (08:25) +1 to Jeff's comment. Richard Merdinger: (08:27) I was late and apologize for that Ram Mohan: (08:27) @Jothan, @Jeff - agree to being sensitive, but i think word on the street is that things aren't working ... are broken. We should decide on our posture and our terminlogy. Just don't want to be "cute" regarding what it is vs. what we call it Ram Mohan: (08:27) ie, don't want an "emperor has no clothes" problem. Having said that, we should be sensitive and decide how we represent the problems/issues/items/ideas/etc. Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:28) @Ram very wisely put - and to be fair, "TLD Haters" are going to latch on to whatever they find so we should not let it hobble our focus Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:29) it is just worth having it in mind Ram Mohan: (08:29) Jothan + 1 Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:29) http://ua.thedna.org is the URL Brent is mentioning Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:30) @Ram Umderstood, and not trying to hide the reality of issues, but it is important to not present the new extensions as "broken" as they are already in wide use and more being registered every day. We're on the same page. Thanks. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:31) +1 Ram Mohan: (08:31) @Jeff, agreed. We might need to decide on more "frank" language internally, and more "polite" language in anything we put out formally... Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:32) @ram Exactly. Public image is important to the whole program and the domain name space. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:34) it might be a good idea to make exchange of items (when reaching some milestones) between groups Pinky Brand: (08:34) +1 to Ram and Jeff's thoughts re language presentation. TLDs are not broken. They have functioned just fine for a few decades.. Rubens Kuhl: (08:35) Just a comment: even the specialized media uses terms like "broken": http://domainincite.com/17997-group-forms-to-stop-new-gtlds-breaking-stuff Edmon: (08:35) just a note that Don has his hand up... if you missed it ram cause he is in the "Presenters" section Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:35) just one comment on IDN / UA is that there are some blockage areas that including IDN is appropriate and others where the majority of the issue simply requires the foundation of being able to just work with new TLDs Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:36) before one could hope to get the IDN dialog and attention happening Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:36) Do we refer by security issues in IDNs - to SSL/TSL too? Ram Mohan: (08:36) @Maxim - do you want to speak that into the call for those not watching the chat? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:36) @Ram - yes Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (08:37) @Rubens Exactly. That's why it is so important that consumer facing messaging does not reinforce the varius biases of "insiders" with varying agendas. Our agenda is a positive outcome for all domain names I think. Ram Mohan: (08:37) tx Rubens Kuhl: (08:39) I don't think this specific media outlet has a bias on this, so it's an indication that even unbiased media trying to spell UA in a simpler way ends up writing like this. Chris: (08:39) I think one of the risks in splitting the issue into multiple different parts, there is a risk of signaling to developers the idea that this is a series of different problems to solve. This would encourage fragmented support for the different aspects of the problem, leading down a bad path. Edmon: (08:40) @christian, today, when you get a namecard that has only chinese on it u cant even read the name anyway? Edmon: (08:40) there are often 2 sides of a business card one for local community and one for "international" based on the "audeince" it is intended for Richard Merdinger: (08:42) Yes Pinky Brand: (08:42) Yes Brent London: (08:42) yes Rishi - CentralNic: (08:42) yes Dusan Stojicevic: (08:42) ok Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:42) yes Johannes Lenz-Hawliczek, DOTZON: (08:42) k Lars Steffen: (08:42) Yes Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:42) 2 weeks good Mark McFadden: (08:42) yes Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:47) just comment - UA is a 2letter code from ISO 3166 ... it might cause minor confusion outside of the industry... Ram Mohan: (08:47) @Maxim - any alternative suggestions? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:48) @Ram UAC ? Mark McFadden: (08:49) That's an excellent summary, thanks @Ram. Mark McFadden: (08:51) Are there minutes or notes from the Washington DC meeting that coulld be shared with the larger group?? Mark McFadden: (08:52) Thank you Francisco. Edmon: (08:52) @francisco, i think we should section out the particular part on stocktaking of issues and prioritization so we have a focused discussion (rther than sending the entire record) Mark McFadden: (08:53) How hard would it be to have a termporary wiki for the group? Ram Mohan: (08:53) ACTIONS:1. Make Mailing list public2. Comments on the charter, closing in 2 weeks time3. Put your names forward for Project Groups you want to be a part of - over the next week4. Summarize comments on charter, Project Groups etc. after 2 weeks5. Call for nominations commences now, ends in 3 weeks time6. Web site for archive materials - Francisco/Don Mark McFadden: (08:55) I think this list of actions is just fine and represents our discussion. Edmon: (08:55) i am not usually someone who brings this up, as this is the time of the day that works best for me to participate. however, i do notice low participation from the asian community which i think is important for this effort. Christian Dawson: (08:56) Edmon I like your suggestion of finding a time that suits the Asian community well Richard Merdinger: (08:56) I cconcur Mark McFadden: (08:57) +1 Francisco Arias: (08:57) there will be no time that works for everyone. One way we have done this in ICANN WGs is to rotate the times to distribute the pain. Just an idea. Brent London: (08:57) +1 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (08:57) +1 for rotation Gwen: (08:57) What would the "C" stand for in "UAC"? Rishi - CentralNic: (08:58) @christian - yes Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (08:58) [humor] we also may want to see if we need permission from Comcast to use the term 'Universal' ;) Mark McFadden: (08:58) @christian Fine! Richard Merdinger: (08:58) yes, please Lars Steffen: (08:58) thanks christian! Edmon: (08:58) ACceptance Richard Merdinger: (08:58) Great idea Ram Pinky Brand: (08:58) There will be virtually no feedback from anyone located in China for the next two weeks as it is now the Chinese New Year. Just FYI. tony harris: (08:59) how to sign up to mail list Mark McFadden: (08:59) That seems like a reasonable timeframe, @Ram. Edmon: (09:00) can just send a note to the mailing list? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (09:00) Could we suggest SOI of some kind to be send with the position request? Mark McFadden: (09:01) Okay, thanks everyone. Bye. Jeff Sass, .CLUB: (09:01) Thanks all. Don Hollander: (09:01) Thanks Ram. Thanks everyone. Ram Mohan: (09:01) @Maxim, good idea Johannes Lenz-Hawliczek, DOTZON: (09:01) thank you, bye Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): (09:01) bye all Rubens Kuhl: (09:01) Thanks all! Jothan Frakes [Mozilla Volunteer]: (09:01) thanks all and to Ram and Christian for their efforts Dusan Stojicevic: (09:01) thanx, bye Rishi - CentralNic: (09:01) @Ram thanks for chairing Pinky Brand: (09:01) Thanks Ram Mohan: (09:01) @Rishi, glad to. Chris: (09:01) Thanks everyone. Ram Mohan: (09:01) g'day Francisco Arias: (09:02) thank you everyone, we are closing the room now