Hello Don, On 2017/04/05 08:44, Don Hollander wrote:
THanks Raed.
When entering an email address,
When entering e.g. with a keyboard, logical order would be used. That is, the local part (don.holander) would be typed first, then the '@', then the domain name, from higher levels down to the TLD.
how would you treat:
arabic.arabic@ascii.ascii <mailto:arabic.arabic@ascii.ascii>
So your question may be more "how would you interpret?", I guess.
Would ascii HAVE to be the domain name or COULD it be the mailbox name?
Could I have رسيل.السعودية@don.hollander
It would be possible to have a display that shows an ASCII local name to the right of the '@', and an Arabic domain name to the left. That would happen in an RTL context (e.g. in an Arabic text). What you actually have above is that don.hollander is logically after the '@', and the Arabic text is before, which means that "hollander" is the TLD, which may be possible (but expensive :-(). You can check that by (starting a selection outside the mail address and) moving the cursor over the mail address. (I understand that you did that just to try to simulate an address with an Arabic domain name and an ASCII local part with the display order switched.) Regards, Martin.
On 5/04/2017, at 10:09 AM, Raed Al-Fayez <rfayez@citc.gov.sa> wrote:
Dear Don and All,
Thanks for raising up this important issue.
Similar to an ASCII email address, an Arabic email address consists of a local part and a domain name separated by "@" sign, in the following format (read RTL): tld <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>. <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>domain <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>@ <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>last <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>. <mailto:tld.domain@last.first>first <mailto:tld.domain@last.first> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية
Here is a list of (8) examples that illustrate how email addresses (ASCII or Arabic) are displayed in English or Arabic text with RTL or LTR display modes (assuming my ascii email is raed <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>alfayez <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>@ <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>raseel <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>sa <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>): Case Example 1. Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display mode (right alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليمين إلى اليسار
2. Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر أيضا بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليسار إلى اليمين
3. Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display mode (right alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني raed <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>alfayez <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>@ <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>raseel <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>sa <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>ويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليمين إلى اليسار 4. Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني raed <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>alfayez <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>@ <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>raseel <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>sa <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> ويظهر بشكل متداخل عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليسار إلى اليمين 5. English text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display (right alignment) This is English text with an Arabic email address رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears mixed when displayed from right-to-left
6. English text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment) This is an English text with an Arabic email address رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears normal when displayed from left to right
7. English text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display (right alignment) This is an English text with an ASCII email address raed <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>alfayez <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>@ <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>raseel <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>sa <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> that appears also normal when displayed from right to left 8. English text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment) This is an English text with an ASCII email address raed <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>alfayez <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>@ <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>raseel <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>. <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>sa <mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> that appears also normal when displayed from left to right
Therefore, I expect that my Arabic email address (رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية) maintains its appearance regardless of the text language or direction of the display. Otherwise, users (readers) will get confuse.
Note: I am attaching a pdf version of my original message in case it was miss-displayed by any email client.
Raed From: Don Hollander [don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:10 AM To: ua-eai@icann.org <mailto:ua-eai@icann.org> Cc: Raed Al-Fayez; Andrew Sullivan Subject: arabic1.arabic2@arabic3.arabic4
Dear all:
In the above example, which is the mailbox name and which is the domain name?
Andrew Sullivan tells me it’s not addressed by the protocol because it’s an implementation issue.
Raed: How does Raseel handle this?
Don <Arabic_Emails_Display.pdf>
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